1 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,070 The programme you're about to watch 2 00:00:11,100 --> 00:00:14,830 is a unique live investigation of the supernatural. 3 00:00:14,870 --> 00:00:16,100 It contains material which 4 00:00:16,130 --> 00:00:19,600 some viewers may find to be disturbing. 5 00:00:20,230 --> 00:00:22,000 No creaking gates, 6 00:00:22,030 --> 00:00:24,100 no Gothic towers, no shutter windows, 7 00:00:24,130 --> 00:00:25,970 yet, for the past 10 months, 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,000 this house has been the focus of an astonishing barrage 9 00:00:29,030 --> 00:00:32,400 of supernatural activity. 10 00:00:32,430 --> 00:00:36,730 This footage was shot by parapsychologists investigating the case. 11 00:00:36,770 --> 00:00:39,030 Now, you're about to see one of the incidents 12 00:00:39,070 --> 00:00:42,200 that have earned this house its reputation. 13 00:00:42,230 --> 00:00:44,630 -Let's see what you think. -I can't sleep. Turn the light off. 14 00:00:46,030 --> 00:00:47,370 Mum said if you don't... 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,070 All right. All right. 16 00:01:29,630 --> 00:01:31,270 (BANGING) 17 00:01:31,870 --> 00:01:33,300 Mum. 18 00:01:33,330 --> 00:01:35,330 Mum. Mum! Mummy, 19 00:01:35,370 --> 00:01:37,030 it's back! It's back! 20 00:01:37,070 --> 00:01:38,730 -Mum! -Mum. 21 00:01:38,770 --> 00:01:40,230 Mum. Mum. 22 00:01:40,270 --> 00:01:41,900 -Help me. -(SCREAMING) 23 00:01:41,930 --> 00:01:45,030 -Help me. -Don't touch me! 24 00:01:45,070 --> 00:01:46,400 -(HIT ON THE DOOR) -Don't touch me. 25 00:01:46,430 --> 00:01:47,770 (SCREAMING) 26 00:01:48,870 --> 00:01:50,230 -Don't.. -(BOTH SCREAM) 27 00:01:50,270 --> 00:01:51,830 -Quickly! -Mum! Mum! 28 00:01:51,870 --> 00:01:53,330 -Mum. -Mum. 29 00:01:53,370 --> 00:01:54,370 (SCREAMING) 30 00:01:57,370 --> 00:01:59,370 (THEME MUSIC PLAYING) 31 00:02:42,330 --> 00:02:44,230 MICHAEL: So welcome live this Halloween night 32 00:02:44,270 --> 00:02:47,130 to the first ever TV Ghostwatch. 33 00:02:47,170 --> 00:02:49,370 That's the scene in Foxhill Drive in Northolt. 34 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:50,630 They are outside broadcasting this 35 00:02:50,630 --> 00:02:51,900 and there, that's the house 36 00:02:51,930 --> 00:02:53,770 where it might all happen tonight 37 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,830 or it might not. We shall see. 38 00:02:55,870 --> 00:02:57,630 We're going to investigate one of the most baffling 39 00:02:57,670 --> 00:02:59,730 and fascinating areas of human experience, 40 00:02:59,770 --> 00:03:01,070 the supernatural. 41 00:03:01,100 --> 00:03:03,630 Tonight, television is going ghost-hunting 42 00:03:03,670 --> 00:03:06,730 in an unprecedented scientific experiment, where we hope to show you 43 00:03:06,770 --> 00:03:09,000 for the first time irrefutable proof that 44 00:03:09,030 --> 00:03:11,630 ghosts really do exist. 45 00:03:11,630 --> 00:03:13,700 I'm joined in the studio by Dr Lin Pascoe 46 00:03:13,730 --> 00:03:16,170 to give her expert technical advice. 47 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,100 Throughout the programme, I'll be taking other expert opinion 48 00:03:19,130 --> 00:03:22,330 about the supernatural from both here and America. 49 00:03:22,370 --> 00:03:25,100 You'll be telling us your ghost stories. 50 00:03:25,130 --> 00:03:28,230 And as our tale unfolds, we'll be taking your calls 51 00:03:28,270 --> 00:03:30,670 about just what you're seeing. 52 00:03:30,700 --> 00:03:32,730 Well, let's go to the main location of our programme, 53 00:03:32,770 --> 00:03:34,330 the house in Foxhill Drive. 54 00:03:34,370 --> 00:03:36,630 Craig Charles, a well-known ghost hunter, 55 00:03:36,630 --> 00:03:37,670 is our reporter. 56 00:03:37,700 --> 00:03:39,070 Craig, how are you? 57 00:03:39,870 --> 00:03:41,000 Hi, Michael. 58 00:03:41,030 --> 00:03:42,070 Yeah, I'm fine. 59 00:03:42,100 --> 00:03:43,900 I've taken the Valium, man. 60 00:03:43,930 --> 00:03:46,330 Later on, we're gonna be interviewing 61 00:03:46,370 --> 00:03:48,000 the medium who tried unsuccessfully 62 00:03:48,030 --> 00:03:50,230 to exorcise the house behind me. 63 00:03:50,270 --> 00:03:52,200 I wonder if he's heard from Elvis lately. 64 00:03:52,230 --> 00:03:54,930 All right, there. With me is Pam Early, the mum of the house. 65 00:03:54,970 --> 00:03:57,000 -Hello, Pam. -Hello. 66 00:03:57,030 --> 00:03:59,000 And she's gonna be taking us through the whole spine-tingling story. 67 00:03:59,030 --> 00:04:01,030 (HUMMING THE TWILIGHT ZONE THEME) 68 00:04:01,070 --> 00:04:03,370 And after that, you can share with us your own supernatural experience 69 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,130 on our very own Halloween witch-board. 70 00:04:05,170 --> 00:04:06,670 I mean, switchboard. 71 00:04:06,700 --> 00:04:08,370 -Over to you Smithy. -MIKE: Thanks, Craig. 72 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:09,800 We'll come back to you later on. 73 00:04:09,830 --> 00:04:11,200 All right, this part of the studio 74 00:04:11,230 --> 00:04:12,900 is your part of the studio 75 00:04:12,930 --> 00:04:15,200 this evening, because this is the phone number 76 00:04:15,230 --> 00:04:16,800 we'd like you to call us on. 77 00:04:16,830 --> 00:04:19,070 You can now see our Ghostwatch team are here 78 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:20,270 ready to take your calls. 79 00:04:20,300 --> 00:04:21,870 We particularly want to hear from you 80 00:04:21,900 --> 00:04:23,830 if you've had any personal experiences 81 00:04:23,870 --> 00:04:26,370 of ghosts or the supernatural. Call us now. 82 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:27,930 As a matter of fact, of course, Mike Smith 83 00:04:27,970 --> 00:04:29,370 has a very particular reason 84 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,300 for keeping a beady eye on the proceedings tonight. 85 00:04:31,330 --> 00:04:33,870 -Michael. -Well, so would you, if your wife had just told you 86 00:04:33,900 --> 00:04:35,970 she was gonna spend the best part of her night 87 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,900 in the most haunted house in Britain. 88 00:04:37,930 --> 00:04:39,970 Of course we're taking about Sarah Greene. 89 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,200 And Sarah is our reporter who'll be spending the night, 90 00:04:42,230 --> 00:04:45,030 actually, inside our haunted house. 91 00:04:45,070 --> 00:04:46,830 She was very keen to do it, I understand, Mike. 92 00:04:46,870 --> 00:04:48,270 Oh, yeah, jumped at the chance. 93 00:04:48,300 --> 00:04:50,200 Actually, so did I, because 94 00:04:50,230 --> 00:04:53,330 we've both been interested in ghosts and that weird sort of stuff. 95 00:04:53,370 --> 00:04:55,100 And to be honest, I could never have 96 00:04:55,130 --> 00:04:57,000 sat at home tonight on my own and watched this programme. 97 00:04:57,030 --> 00:04:58,300 I'm safer here. 98 00:04:58,330 --> 00:04:59,930 MICHAEL: All right, Mike, thanks a lot. 99 00:04:59,970 --> 00:05:02,030 Now, confrontations, of course, with the supernatural, 100 00:05:02,070 --> 00:05:03,730 can be devastatingly real. 101 00:05:03,770 --> 00:05:05,630 Let's find out what effect they've had 102 00:05:05,670 --> 00:05:07,870 on Mrs Early and her family. 103 00:05:09,300 --> 00:05:12,630 So, how destructive has the haunting actually been? 104 00:05:12,670 --> 00:05:15,030 Mum kept on blaming us for breaking stuff. 105 00:05:15,070 --> 00:05:16,170 We weren't doing anything. 106 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,270 I've lost track, really, I have. 107 00:05:19,300 --> 00:05:23,070 Plates, teapots, cups, a broken tap, 108 00:05:23,100 --> 00:05:26,870 we got this thick smell, so disgusting, from the tap. 109 00:05:26,900 --> 00:05:31,130 And stains got on clothes from nowhere, out of thin air. 110 00:05:31,170 --> 00:05:34,400 -And in the central heating vent. -The man came, and... 111 00:05:34,430 --> 00:05:36,870 He couldn't understand it, he said it was impossible. 112 00:05:36,900 --> 00:05:38,630 Everybody said it was impossible. 113 00:05:38,630 --> 00:05:41,900 I said, "Great. You come and live with 'impossible'." 114 00:05:41,930 --> 00:05:44,170 So many things have happened... 115 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:45,670 You start thinking... 116 00:05:46,430 --> 00:05:47,900 I don't know... 117 00:05:47,930 --> 00:05:49,370 Maybe you've done something wrong. 118 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,300 It's wrecked my... My house, 119 00:05:55,330 --> 00:05:57,230 my home, my family... 120 00:05:58,100 --> 00:05:59,630 CRAIG: It's okay. 121 00:05:59,670 --> 00:06:01,070 Over to you, Michael. 122 00:06:03,370 --> 00:06:07,630 Dr Lin Pascoe, it's a disturbing interview, that, isn't it? 123 00:06:07,670 --> 00:06:11,930 You investigated the Northolt poltergeist for eight months, wasn't it? 124 00:06:11,970 --> 00:06:14,330 What can be done for people like Mrs Early? 125 00:06:14,370 --> 00:06:17,700 According to the evidence on that film, clearly she's shattered. 126 00:06:17,730 --> 00:06:19,970 Well, the first thing we can all do for a start is 127 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,270 believe them. 128 00:06:21,300 --> 00:06:23,000 Well, it's not always that easy, is it? 129 00:06:23,030 --> 00:06:24,400 Yes, but you can see, 130 00:06:24,430 --> 00:06:27,100 it's obvious these people are desperate for help. 131 00:06:27,130 --> 00:06:28,900 Makes me so angry when you still get people out there 132 00:06:28,930 --> 00:06:30,930 denying that these things even happen. 133 00:06:30,970 --> 00:06:33,230 All right, Dr Pascoe, for the moment, thank you very much indeed. 134 00:06:33,270 --> 00:06:35,770 Lin Pascoe will be giving her expert commentary 135 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,170 right throughout the programme. 136 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:38,870 And by the way, for those night owls amongst you, 137 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:41,630 we'll be here with updates roughly every hour, 138 00:06:41,670 --> 00:06:43,400 right through the night. 139 00:06:43,430 --> 00:06:45,700 Well, now it's high time we met our intrepid ghost-watcher, 140 00:06:45,730 --> 00:06:47,630 Sarah Greene. 141 00:06:47,630 --> 00:06:49,870 First hospital watch, Sarah, now a ghost watch, big difference. 142 00:06:49,900 --> 00:06:52,400 Well, I suppose the truth is I love a mystery, 143 00:06:52,430 --> 00:06:55,270 and who knows, we may get to the bottom of this one. 144 00:06:55,300 --> 00:06:58,130 Actually, my own experience with things ghostly, 145 00:06:58,170 --> 00:07:00,900 albeit very brief, was so intriguing, 146 00:07:00,930 --> 00:07:04,030 I thought I might get the chance to learn a bit more tonight. 147 00:07:04,070 --> 00:07:05,270 Well, perhaps, we might get a chance 148 00:07:05,300 --> 00:07:06,900 to hear more of your story later on. 149 00:07:06,930 --> 00:07:09,700 Yeah, if we get an opportunity, I'd love to. 150 00:07:09,730 --> 00:07:12,970 Actually, Smithy was there when I had my encounter 151 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,270 with what I think was a ghost. 152 00:07:15,300 --> 00:07:18,100 -But he wasn't quite as struck as me, there, were you... -Well, no. Well, yes. 153 00:07:18,130 --> 00:07:20,630 I mean, I think, this is the right environment so study these things. 154 00:07:20,630 --> 00:07:22,370 Yeah, that's why I get sent out here to the frontline 155 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,630 and you stay all cosy and safe and sound in the studio, isn't it? 156 00:07:26,630 --> 00:07:29,130 Well, good luck, and I'll see you later. 157 00:07:29,170 --> 00:07:31,270 Now, before we go into the lion's den, 158 00:07:31,300 --> 00:07:33,670 I'd like to introduce you to Alan Demescu. 159 00:07:33,700 --> 00:07:35,630 He is an electronics engineer, 160 00:07:35,670 --> 00:07:39,270 and a member of the Society for Psychical Research. 161 00:07:39,300 --> 00:07:41,070 Now, Alan, we have a whole array 162 00:07:41,100 --> 00:07:43,000 of technology here with us. 163 00:07:43,030 --> 00:07:45,130 What are you hoping to discover tonight? 164 00:07:45,170 --> 00:07:47,800 Well, the paranormal covers a wide range of aspects, 165 00:07:47,830 --> 00:07:50,270 but tonight, we're concentrating on 166 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:52,700 what we call, "Spontaneous cases." 167 00:07:52,730 --> 00:07:54,070 What are they exactly? 168 00:07:54,100 --> 00:07:56,770 Well, anything from inexplicable noises, 169 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,700 footsteps, knocking, 170 00:07:58,730 --> 00:08:02,230 irrefutive voices, presences, the feeling of being watched, 171 00:08:02,270 --> 00:08:04,730 er, electrical interference, 172 00:08:04,770 --> 00:08:07,870 say, you know, your TV, lights, telephone... 173 00:08:07,900 --> 00:08:09,800 Right along at the far end of the spectrum 174 00:08:09,830 --> 00:08:12,730 to actual, full-blown visual apparitions. 175 00:08:12,770 --> 00:08:15,130 Now, we've got our own BBC scanner here 176 00:08:15,170 --> 00:08:17,100 but what are you using it for exactly? 177 00:08:17,130 --> 00:08:19,630 Well, we've got a remote video camera 178 00:08:19,670 --> 00:08:21,030 mounted in every room. 179 00:08:22,900 --> 00:08:23,900 Erm... 180 00:08:26,170 --> 00:08:30,200 We have our image analysis equipment linked in, 181 00:08:30,230 --> 00:08:32,630 the tape is timecoded. 182 00:08:32,670 --> 00:08:34,830 And atmospheric condition and temperature 183 00:08:34,870 --> 00:08:38,000 are logged onscreen by sensors. 184 00:08:38,030 --> 00:08:39,900 Those are like the little burglar alarms 185 00:08:39,930 --> 00:08:41,030 -with the red lights. -Right. 186 00:08:41,070 --> 00:08:43,370 Except, they're triggered by cold 187 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:44,970 instead of heat. 188 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,900 Erm, intense cold spots are a secondary phenomenon. 189 00:08:48,930 --> 00:08:53,070 We also want to detect low and high frequencies. 190 00:08:53,100 --> 00:08:55,200 Basically, any aberration at all 191 00:08:55,230 --> 00:08:57,030 could be a signal or a clue. 192 00:08:57,070 --> 00:08:59,030 Well, we hope you get lots of both of those. 193 00:08:59,070 --> 00:09:00,300 -We'll leave you to it, Alan. -Okay. 194 00:09:00,330 --> 00:09:02,930 And, we'll go back outside 195 00:09:02,970 --> 00:09:05,900 where I'm going to be able to introduce you to 196 00:09:05,930 --> 00:09:08,870 two of the very important people 197 00:09:08,900 --> 00:09:11,100 who are at the frontline of this vigil, 198 00:09:11,130 --> 00:09:13,170 as psychical researchers call it. 199 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,200 Now, the first person is actually standing right behind the camera, 200 00:09:16,230 --> 00:09:19,130 and if he hands over to me, you'll notice two things. 201 00:09:19,170 --> 00:09:20,630 First of all, 202 00:09:20,670 --> 00:09:22,730 that his hand is a lot steadier than mine, 203 00:09:22,770 --> 00:09:23,970 and secondly, that he bears 204 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,030 a remarkable resemblance to Mike Gatting. 205 00:09:26,070 --> 00:09:28,170 Yes, you do. (LAUGHS) 206 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:29,800 -Chris Miller. -Hi. 207 00:09:29,830 --> 00:09:32,870 SARAH: Now, Chris, does this camera differ in any way 208 00:09:32,900 --> 00:09:35,730 from the sort of camera you'd normally use on an outside broadcast? 209 00:09:35,770 --> 00:09:38,670 Well, it's a normal lightweight mobile camera, 210 00:09:38,700 --> 00:09:40,000 but in this case, it's been adapted 211 00:09:40,030 --> 00:09:42,000 so we can use infrared as well. 212 00:09:42,030 --> 00:09:43,130 -SARAH: Can we see how that works, Chris... -Yeah, sure. 213 00:09:43,170 --> 00:09:45,100 ...if I hand this back to you? 214 00:09:45,130 --> 00:09:46,870 SARAH: What's the best way to demonstrate it? 215 00:09:46,900 --> 00:09:48,730 CHRIS: Well, if we can kill the lights... 216 00:09:48,770 --> 00:09:51,700 SARAH: Okay, Clive, can we pop the lights down now? 217 00:09:56,870 --> 00:09:58,600 CHRIS: There you go. SARAH: Wow. How's that? 218 00:09:58,630 --> 00:09:59,870 -CHRIS: I can see you quite clearly now. -Oh, look. 219 00:09:59,900 --> 00:10:02,630 Yeah, so can I, on a monitor. 220 00:10:02,670 --> 00:10:04,030 I'm quite close to you though. 221 00:10:04,070 --> 00:10:06,830 I mean, what about the people down here? 222 00:10:06,870 --> 00:10:09,100 If we move down here... How fast can you move 223 00:10:09,130 --> 00:10:10,230 with that thing on your shoulder, actually? 224 00:10:10,270 --> 00:10:11,830 -Quite fast. -It's not bad. 225 00:10:11,870 --> 00:10:13,700 Who needs a Steadicam when you got Chris Miller? 226 00:10:13,730 --> 00:10:14,730 That's what I say. 227 00:10:15,430 --> 00:10:16,700 Oh, yes, there they are. 228 00:10:16,730 --> 00:10:17,770 CHRIS: There they all are. 229 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,670 (SARAH LAUGHING) 230 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:22,600 CHRIS: Somebody wants to get in the frame. 231 00:10:22,630 --> 00:10:24,900 SARAH: Funny, they can see what they look like. 232 00:10:24,930 --> 00:10:27,300 I'll tell you what though, this means for us, doesn't it, 233 00:10:27,330 --> 00:10:30,230 that nothing can lurk in the shadows. 234 00:10:30,270 --> 00:10:31,400 CHRIS: That's right, there's no hiding place. 235 00:10:31,430 --> 00:10:33,070 Absolutely. 236 00:10:33,100 --> 00:10:34,700 Erm, right, let's have the lights back up again then. 237 00:10:39,270 --> 00:10:40,830 Okay, now, we've got our vision back. 238 00:10:40,870 --> 00:10:42,970 I think it's time to meet sound. 239 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,300 Man of sound mind here, Mike Aiton. 240 00:10:45,330 --> 00:10:46,870 Not only can this gentleman hear 241 00:10:46,900 --> 00:10:49,770 an ant scratching its back legs at 50 yards, 242 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,330 he's also the unofficial chairman 243 00:10:51,370 --> 00:10:53,170 of the Adrian Edmonson Lookalike Society. 244 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,330 Right on. 245 00:10:55,370 --> 00:10:56,670 SARAH: So, if you're not scared of ghosts, 246 00:10:56,700 --> 00:10:58,330 you're scared of that. 247 00:10:58,370 --> 00:10:59,700 How are you feeling about tonight? 248 00:10:59,730 --> 00:11:00,800 Are you a bit nervous at all? 249 00:11:00,830 --> 00:11:02,200 We will see. 250 00:11:02,230 --> 00:11:03,670 Erm, how about you, Chris? 251 00:11:03,700 --> 00:11:05,170 I'm okay. 252 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:06,970 -Are you ready to go in then? -Yeah. 253 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,330 Okay. Well, we'll see you later. 254 00:11:09,770 --> 00:11:10,970 And... (CHUCKLES) 255 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,230 (ALL CLAPPING) 256 00:11:12,270 --> 00:11:15,030 It's time to go once more into the breach. 257 00:11:15,070 --> 00:11:16,400 -Do I have to go first? -CHRIS: After you. 258 00:11:16,430 --> 00:11:18,300 Yeah, typical. Come on then, chaps. 259 00:11:19,370 --> 00:11:20,370 Hello? 260 00:11:22,630 --> 00:11:24,100 Here we are. 261 00:11:24,130 --> 00:11:26,270 Hi, Pam. Now, oh, look here we are. 262 00:11:26,300 --> 00:11:29,000 This is the burglar alarm that 263 00:11:29,030 --> 00:11:31,630 Alan Demescu was talking about. 264 00:11:31,670 --> 00:11:33,230 Can we make ourselves at home? 265 00:11:35,270 --> 00:11:37,400 Kim, Suzanne. 266 00:11:37,430 --> 00:11:40,700 Can I join you for a bit of apple bobbing, do you think? 267 00:11:40,730 --> 00:11:43,670 Well, we'll let Sarah and her jolly team 268 00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:45,370 settle down there for the night. 269 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,630 I wonder if they'll remain as jolly as that 270 00:11:47,630 --> 00:11:49,630 all evening. We shall find out. 271 00:11:49,670 --> 00:11:51,230 Er, Dr Pascoe, let me ask you, 272 00:11:51,270 --> 00:11:52,700 why did you first of all... 273 00:11:52,730 --> 00:11:55,830 Why did you choose that particular house? 274 00:11:55,870 --> 00:11:59,200 Well, it was a decision we made over many weeks really. 275 00:11:59,230 --> 00:12:01,730 What happened is that 276 00:12:01,770 --> 00:12:03,000 we ran a computer programme 277 00:12:03,030 --> 00:12:05,830 of all the haunted locations in the UK, 278 00:12:05,870 --> 00:12:09,030 and then we did a census of all the various investigators, 279 00:12:09,070 --> 00:12:10,770 and they were all unanimous that 280 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,230 Foxhill had more tangible phenomena on record than... 281 00:12:15,270 --> 00:12:17,000 I was gonna say any place in the world, 282 00:12:17,030 --> 00:12:19,030 but certainly any place in the UK. 283 00:12:19,070 --> 00:12:21,830 We'll see evidence of that, of course, later on in the programme. 284 00:12:21,870 --> 00:12:24,370 What's the chance, do you think, of us seeing anything tonight? 285 00:12:25,430 --> 00:12:28,400 I don't honestly know. 286 00:12:28,430 --> 00:12:30,000 Sometimes we saw nothing for weeks, 287 00:12:30,030 --> 00:12:32,730 and then, other times things were coming through 288 00:12:32,770 --> 00:12:34,970 thick and fast, I mean, so much so that 289 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,200 we had difficulty logging it all. 290 00:12:36,230 --> 00:12:38,630 I mean, some nights it was like, er... 291 00:12:38,670 --> 00:12:40,870 (EXHALES) Being in a circus or a war zone or something. 292 00:12:40,900 --> 00:12:42,730 -"A war zone"? -It was that bad. 293 00:12:42,770 --> 00:12:44,100 What about Halloween? 294 00:12:44,130 --> 00:12:45,100 Will that make any difference, do you think? 295 00:12:45,130 --> 00:12:47,070 Yeah, I think it will. 296 00:12:47,100 --> 00:12:49,300 Certainly, there were more reports on Halloween 297 00:12:49,330 --> 00:12:50,900 than almost any other night of the year. 298 00:12:50,930 --> 00:12:55,030 But maybe that's because people expect to see things. 299 00:12:55,070 --> 00:12:57,670 -I'm taking out no bets. I'm hopeful. -(CHUCKLES) 300 00:12:57,700 --> 00:12:59,100 All right. Yes, we're all hopeful. 301 00:12:59,130 --> 00:13:00,400 Let's take a phone call. 302 00:13:00,430 --> 00:13:02,630 Mike Smith, what you got for us? 303 00:13:02,630 --> 00:13:04,900 This is Emma Stableford, and she's from Slough. 304 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,800 Thank you. Emma? Emma, hello. 305 00:13:07,830 --> 00:13:09,070 -EMMA: (ON PHONE) Hello? -Yeah. 306 00:13:09,100 --> 00:13:11,100 EMMA: (ON PHONE) I did have a story, 307 00:13:11,130 --> 00:13:13,930 but there's actually something else I'd like to say to Dr Pascoe. 308 00:13:13,970 --> 00:13:16,170 -MICHAEL: Go on. -EMMA: (ON PHONE) But I feel a bit foolish. 309 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:17,870 Oh, don't worry about that, Emma. 310 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:19,300 Never worries me. 311 00:13:19,330 --> 00:13:20,770 EMMA: (ON PHONE) Well, you know, at the beginning 312 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,300 when you showed the real footage of that haunted bedroom? 313 00:13:24,330 --> 00:13:26,000 Well, I know it was dark, 314 00:13:26,030 --> 00:13:28,330 but I was sure I could see a figure standing behind 315 00:13:28,370 --> 00:13:31,300 against the wall, just by the curtain. 316 00:13:31,330 --> 00:13:33,770 Very, very faint, but definitely a figure there. 317 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:36,170 A woman. 318 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,200 A person's body, at least. 319 00:13:38,230 --> 00:13:40,930 Standing there in a black dress. 320 00:13:40,970 --> 00:13:44,400 Emma, I've examined that particular piece of film 321 00:13:44,430 --> 00:13:45,970 many times and so I'm not sure... 322 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,100 MICHAEL: I'll tell you what to do, Emma, 323 00:13:47,130 --> 00:13:48,630 if you can actually spot up 324 00:13:48,670 --> 00:13:50,270 the specific point on that tape 325 00:13:50,300 --> 00:13:52,770 where you saw this figure... 326 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,630 Tell one of our operators, 327 00:13:54,670 --> 00:13:56,630 we'll actually spool it back to the point where you tell us, 328 00:13:56,670 --> 00:13:58,030 and then I'll get Dr Pascoe here 329 00:13:58,070 --> 00:13:59,700 to have a good look at it. Okay? 330 00:13:59,730 --> 00:14:00,870 -Great. -EMMA: (ON PHONE) Yeah. 331 00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:02,230 All right. Thanks for calling. 332 00:14:02,270 --> 00:14:04,100 Before you go, Emma, 333 00:14:04,130 --> 00:14:06,100 could you give a full description of what you thought you saw 334 00:14:06,130 --> 00:14:08,300 to somebody manning the phones please? Can you do that? 335 00:14:08,330 --> 00:14:10,030 -EMMA: (ON PHONE) Yeah, I will. -Great. 336 00:14:10,070 --> 00:14:11,370 -MICHAEL: Okay, Emma, thanks a lot. -Thank you. 337 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:12,330 -Bye-bye. Bye-bye. -EMMA: (ON PHONE) Bye. 338 00:14:12,370 --> 00:14:13,670 I tell you what we'll do. 339 00:14:13,700 --> 00:14:16,130 While we search for that piece of tape, 340 00:14:16,170 --> 00:14:18,970 let's find out what Sarah's up to. 341 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,400 MIKE: Sarah, did you hear that? 342 00:14:20,430 --> 00:14:23,800 Somebody thinks they've seen a presence in the house. 343 00:14:23,830 --> 00:14:25,670 -Today? -MIKE: You've not noticed anything this evening, 344 00:14:25,700 --> 00:14:27,930 -have you? -No, nothing to report from here yet, 345 00:14:27,970 --> 00:14:30,330 except how absolutely useless I am at apple-bobbing. 346 00:14:30,370 --> 00:14:32,700 Come on, girls. Yes, you've done it, I can see. 347 00:14:32,730 --> 00:14:34,170 (KNOCKING) 348 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:35,830 -Who's that? -(KNOCKING) 349 00:14:37,970 --> 00:14:39,030 Can you hear that? 350 00:14:41,330 --> 00:14:42,400 Can you hear this? 351 00:14:42,430 --> 00:14:43,630 Are you hearing... 352 00:14:43,670 --> 00:14:44,970 (KNOCKING) 353 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,170 It's coming from in... 354 00:14:47,430 --> 00:14:49,130 -(GROWLING) -(SCREAMING) 355 00:14:50,770 --> 00:14:51,870 You... 356 00:14:51,900 --> 00:14:53,630 (ALL LAUGHING) 357 00:14:53,670 --> 00:14:58,030 You are a complete and utter beast. 358 00:14:58,070 --> 00:15:01,370 "Beast"? I got it! Look at that. It's worse than Mike Smith, isn't it? 359 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:02,870 I don't know though. 360 00:15:02,900 --> 00:15:04,270 Is it your idea, this, Smithy? You set this up? 361 00:15:04,300 --> 00:15:05,930 Well, I had a bet with your husband, 362 00:15:05,970 --> 00:15:07,670 I could get a four-letter-word uttered on television, 363 00:15:07,700 --> 00:15:11,230 I nearly did, as well. It was "beast". B-E-A-S-T. Beast. 364 00:15:11,270 --> 00:15:12,830 You're a class act. 365 00:15:12,870 --> 00:15:15,030 I think that is such a cheap shot, I have to say. 366 00:15:15,070 --> 00:15:16,800 I mean, you know, I can take a joke with the best of them, 367 00:15:16,830 --> 00:15:18,730 but we're all holed up in here... 368 00:15:18,770 --> 00:15:20,270 Well, I'm sorry if I'm being insensitive, but it is my brief. 369 00:15:20,300 --> 00:15:21,730 They said, "Craig, come along, be insensitive." 370 00:15:21,770 --> 00:15:23,400 Can you just get out of the way a minute? 371 00:15:23,430 --> 00:15:24,970 -You're in the middle of my close-up. -Oh, with pleasure. 372 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,700 They were in on it. They were in on it. 373 00:15:26,730 --> 00:15:29,000 -Give me an apple. Give me an apple. -You were? 374 00:15:29,030 --> 00:15:30,630 Sorry, chaps, I love you all, 375 00:15:30,630 --> 00:15:32,130 if there's any ghosts, keep them to yourselves. 376 00:15:32,170 --> 00:15:35,630 -SARAH: Love us and leave us, go on. -I love you. 377 00:15:35,670 --> 00:15:37,830 You needn't smirk, Mike Smith, you were in on this. 378 00:15:37,870 --> 00:15:39,130 I think you're in a certain amount of trouble 379 00:15:39,170 --> 00:15:42,200 with her indoors for that little situation. 380 00:15:42,230 --> 00:15:45,370 I'm sorry there, Doctor. Our producer, in fact, created a happening in the house 381 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,330 just in case we were on a wild ghost hunt, so to speak. 382 00:15:48,370 --> 00:15:50,630 -DR PASCOE: We aren't, I promise you. -All right. 383 00:15:50,670 --> 00:15:52,630 Well, let's go back to Sarah now. 384 00:15:52,670 --> 00:15:55,300 Sarah, when you're ready let's hear the real story, 385 00:15:55,330 --> 00:15:57,300 the strange happenings at Foxhill Drive. 386 00:15:57,330 --> 00:16:00,400 And by the way, have you got over your shock yet? 387 00:16:00,430 --> 00:16:03,300 Yes, I have recovered now, thank you, Michael. 388 00:16:03,330 --> 00:16:06,270 Let me fill you in on what's been happening here so far. 389 00:16:06,300 --> 00:16:07,930 Let's face it, there's violence 390 00:16:07,970 --> 00:16:10,870 at some time or another in every part of London, 391 00:16:10,900 --> 00:16:13,030 and this estate is no exception. 392 00:16:13,070 --> 00:16:15,630 But there are some days, and certainly nights 393 00:16:15,630 --> 00:16:16,900 when Mrs Early and her two daughters 394 00:16:16,930 --> 00:16:18,630 would rather be out on the street 395 00:16:18,630 --> 00:16:20,830 than right here, within their own four walls. 396 00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:22,000 Let's go upstairs for a moment. 397 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:32,100 It all began in here on December the 28th, 1991. 398 00:16:32,130 --> 00:16:35,030 Who was the first person to experience something? 399 00:16:35,070 --> 00:16:36,100 Suzanne. 400 00:16:36,130 --> 00:16:38,230 We had a bit of an argument 401 00:16:38,270 --> 00:16:41,800 because Suzanne wanted to stay up and watch some film and I wouldn't let her. 402 00:16:41,830 --> 00:16:44,000 -Go on, Suze, you say what happened. -No, you say. 403 00:16:45,730 --> 00:16:46,930 She went to bed about, 404 00:16:46,970 --> 00:16:48,630 -Erm... -I was in bed. 405 00:16:48,630 --> 00:16:50,030 Mum came in to tuck me in, 406 00:16:50,070 --> 00:16:52,870 instead she just stood by the bed, looking at me. 407 00:16:52,900 --> 00:16:54,700 At least I thought it was her. 408 00:16:54,730 --> 00:16:56,370 And then she just turned and went. 409 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,100 The thing is, I didn't tuck them in that night. 410 00:16:58,130 --> 00:16:59,830 I always do, 411 00:16:59,870 --> 00:17:02,900 but that night I fell asleep in front of the television. 412 00:17:02,930 --> 00:17:05,230 I told her she must have been dreaming. 413 00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:07,700 Then a few days later, it was my room. 414 00:17:07,730 --> 00:17:08,730 SARAH: Should we go and have a look? 415 00:17:20,330 --> 00:17:21,970 A few days later, 416 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,200 these terrible noises woke me coming from the walls 417 00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:26,370 like a bat, like a thudding. 418 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:27,900 All around you? 419 00:17:27,930 --> 00:17:30,030 Yes, like the whole room was going to come apart. 420 00:17:33,100 --> 00:17:34,800 Did anybody else hear it? 421 00:17:34,830 --> 00:17:37,130 Yes, Suzanne and Kim heard it. 422 00:17:37,170 --> 00:17:40,070 Kimmy, if you heard it too, 423 00:17:40,100 --> 00:17:42,100 what sort of a noise was it? 424 00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:45,630 (HITTING THE FLOOR) 425 00:17:47,070 --> 00:17:48,700 We were screaming, I was shouting, 426 00:17:48,730 --> 00:17:50,870 "What is it? What is it?" 427 00:17:50,900 --> 00:17:52,970 Well, I didn't know what to say, they were that terrified. 428 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,670 So, I said it was pipes. 429 00:17:55,700 --> 00:17:57,770 You know, the central heating. 430 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,730 So, afterwards, whenever Kim heard something 431 00:17:59,770 --> 00:18:02,730 she'd say, "It's Pipes. Pipes is here." 432 00:18:02,770 --> 00:18:07,200 SARAH: So by this time, Kim, you could actually feel something as well, could you? 433 00:18:07,230 --> 00:18:08,830 Whereabouts was it coming from? 434 00:18:09,270 --> 00:18:10,630 There. 435 00:18:10,670 --> 00:18:12,130 SARAH: What is it that's over there? 436 00:18:12,170 --> 00:18:14,630 Pipes, that's where he hides. 437 00:18:14,670 --> 00:18:15,670 SARAH: Does he live there? 438 00:18:17,100 --> 00:18:19,300 Where does he live then? Anywhere? 439 00:18:19,330 --> 00:18:20,330 On the stairs. 440 00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:35,930 SARAH: Kim, how do you know he lives down there? 441 00:18:35,970 --> 00:18:37,300 Because I saw him through the crack. 442 00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:42,970 He was there. He was staring at me. 443 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,230 SARAH: What happened after you saw him? 444 00:18:46,330 --> 00:18:48,030 I drew a picture of him. 445 00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:50,100 -SARAH: Have you kept it? -Yeah. 446 00:18:50,130 --> 00:18:51,330 -SARAH: Can we have a look? -Yeah. 447 00:19:02,130 --> 00:19:03,200 Let's have a look. 448 00:19:06,930 --> 00:19:09,200 Was that exactly how he looked when you saw him? 449 00:19:09,230 --> 00:19:10,670 KIM: Yeah, he was disgusting. 450 00:19:11,700 --> 00:19:13,030 Really disgusting. 451 00:19:14,270 --> 00:19:16,630 It's a good picture. Yeah. 452 00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:18,630 No. (WHISPERING) Keep it. It's a present. 453 00:19:18,670 --> 00:19:20,800 Oh, thank you very much. 454 00:19:20,830 --> 00:19:24,070 I'll tell you what, why don't we put it up somewhere where everyone can see it? 455 00:19:24,100 --> 00:19:25,830 -Yeah. -Where's a good place? 456 00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:28,130 On the fridge in the kitchen. 457 00:19:28,170 --> 00:19:29,170 -On the fridge? -KIM: Yeah. 458 00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:36,170 SARAH: There we go. 459 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,870 Will it be all right putting him up there, do you think? 460 00:19:37,900 --> 00:19:40,100 Yeah, because he likes everything freezing 461 00:19:40,130 --> 00:19:42,200 and really cold. 462 00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:44,230 Pam, there was something else, wasn't there? 463 00:19:44,270 --> 00:19:45,330 Yes, there's also this. 464 00:19:48,270 --> 00:19:51,230 Once I looked in Suzie's exercise book from school. 465 00:19:56,670 --> 00:19:58,170 SARAH: Oh. PAMELA: I was so shocked, 466 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,330 I said to her, "Did you write this?" 467 00:20:00,370 --> 00:20:03,270 I was going to hit her, I was so mad. 468 00:20:03,300 --> 00:20:05,900 But it wasn't me. I don't even write like that. 469 00:20:05,930 --> 00:20:07,730 Then I said to her, "Who was it, then? 470 00:20:07,770 --> 00:20:09,370 -"Who was it?" -SARAH: Yeah. 471 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,600 Who or what? 472 00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:13,230 Michael. 473 00:20:15,700 --> 00:20:18,330 Lots of questions there that need answering, 474 00:20:18,370 --> 00:20:21,900 perhaps we'll have a chance to answer some of them tonight. 475 00:20:21,930 --> 00:20:24,600 Just actually hearing in my earpiece that 476 00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:25,900 Mike Smith has some news. 477 00:20:25,930 --> 00:20:26,970 Mike, what's happening? 478 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,700 Thanks very much. Thank you. 479 00:20:28,730 --> 00:20:31,270 I've got eight or nine phone calls here 480 00:20:31,300 --> 00:20:32,600 which are like Emma Stableford's 481 00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:33,900 we had earlier on. 482 00:20:33,930 --> 00:20:37,330 They too have seen a mysterious dark figure 483 00:20:37,370 --> 00:20:40,870 in the background of that shot in the children's bedroom. Michael? 484 00:20:40,900 --> 00:20:42,730 "Dark, mysterious figure," Doctor. 485 00:20:42,770 --> 00:20:44,800 Have we got that sequence ready yet? 486 00:20:44,830 --> 00:20:46,170 -Yes. -Can we see that tape? 487 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:47,300 Yeah, I think we can. I think we can see it 488 00:20:47,330 --> 00:20:49,100 right now. Let's roll the tape. 489 00:20:49,130 --> 00:20:50,630 There you are, up there on the screen, 490 00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:52,200 that's the tape you wanted, isn't it? 491 00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:54,170 I can't sleep. Turn the light off. 492 00:20:55,630 --> 00:20:56,730 Mum said if you don't... 493 00:20:58,830 --> 00:21:00,400 All right. All right. 494 00:21:00,430 --> 00:21:02,330 MICHAEL: Now, this is the point where Emma Stableford, 495 00:21:02,370 --> 00:21:05,630 our caller, said she could identify that dark mysterious figure 496 00:21:05,630 --> 00:21:07,330 in the corner of the room. 497 00:21:07,370 --> 00:21:08,800 I don't see anything myself, do you? 498 00:21:10,130 --> 00:21:11,770 DR PASCOE: Can we rewind it? MICHAEL: Sure. 499 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,070 -Let's rewind it. -Can we play it again? 500 00:21:14,100 --> 00:21:16,270 Can we play it back, BTL? There you are. 501 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:17,300 Back a bit more. 502 00:21:18,970 --> 00:21:21,800 -Yeah. Is that all right? -Yeah. 503 00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:23,770 -Can we go forward slowly? -Sure, sure. 504 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,230 MICHAEL: All right. I'm doing that now. 505 00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:28,630 -That's slow enough? -Uh-huh. 506 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,830 I can't see anything now myself. False alarm? 507 00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:42,270 Yeah, I think I can see what's happened. 508 00:21:42,300 --> 00:21:45,870 Do you see the shadow cast by the curtain there? 509 00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:48,270 -See on the curtain, on the left-hand side. -MICHAEL: Not really. 510 00:21:48,300 --> 00:21:50,400 I tell you what we'll do. We've got a piece of, 511 00:21:50,430 --> 00:21:53,130 I don't know... Wheel that piece of sophisticated 512 00:21:53,170 --> 00:21:54,830 technology in here. 513 00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:57,670 You can actually use a light pencil on the screen there 514 00:21:57,700 --> 00:22:01,070 just to identify exactly the area that you're talking about. 515 00:22:01,100 --> 00:22:02,770 -Is this it? -Yes, that's right. 516 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,800 Just draw on it as you would a normal pencil. 517 00:22:04,830 --> 00:22:06,730 DR PASCOE: All right, I think... 518 00:22:06,770 --> 00:22:09,030 There's a sort of shape there a face maybe, 519 00:22:09,070 --> 00:22:12,630 and a human form 520 00:22:12,670 --> 00:22:14,630 I think the shadow's caused. 521 00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:17,630 I wonder if it's that thing, you know, where you put your... 522 00:22:17,670 --> 00:22:20,030 Your dressing gown on the back of the bedroom door. 523 00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:22,330 At a certain light, you look at it in the middle of the night 524 00:22:22,370 --> 00:22:24,130 and it looks like a human form or face. 525 00:22:24,170 --> 00:22:25,400 I mean, it's easily done, isn't it? 526 00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:27,830 I think that's it. Exactly. 527 00:22:27,870 --> 00:22:29,900 -"Faces in the fire." -Yes. 528 00:22:29,930 --> 00:22:31,230 Human perception is such that 529 00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:32,730 the first thing you attempt to create 530 00:22:32,770 --> 00:22:36,230 in any abstract shape is a human face or form. 531 00:22:36,270 --> 00:22:37,870 Okay. 532 00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:40,330 All right, then, well, I'm sorry to disappoint you, 533 00:22:40,370 --> 00:22:42,000 but I'll tell you what we'll do, 534 00:22:42,030 --> 00:22:44,030 let's go back over to Foxhill Drive 535 00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:46,630 and learn about the toll that living there 536 00:22:46,670 --> 00:22:49,730 has taken on the children's mother, Pamela Early. 537 00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:54,330 SARAH: Pam, I know this has all been a nightmare for you. 538 00:22:54,370 --> 00:22:57,030 But what's been the worst moment so far, do you think? 539 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,030 I'll show you. 540 00:23:04,430 --> 00:23:06,230 I've got to get this done properly. 541 00:23:07,370 --> 00:23:09,630 My husband... My ex-husband 542 00:23:09,670 --> 00:23:12,930 used to develop his own photos in a darkroom under the stairs. 543 00:23:12,970 --> 00:23:15,300 A "glory hole", as we used to call it when I was a kid. 544 00:23:15,330 --> 00:23:17,730 Why have you boarded it up like this then? 545 00:23:17,770 --> 00:23:22,200 PAMELA: Well... (SIGHS) One night last January 546 00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:24,370 I got it into my head 547 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,130 to try and find one of my letter... 548 00:23:26,170 --> 00:23:29,770 The solicitor's letters about my divorce. 549 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,630 Erm, all of a sudden, the door stuck. 550 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,030 Like somebody was trying and pushing it from outside. 551 00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:38,870 SARAH: You were inside by this time? 552 00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:42,270 Yeah. 553 00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:44,700 I shoved, I tried to get out, 554 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,700 and then I started to panic. 555 00:23:47,730 --> 00:23:50,630 It was like a coffin, I couldn't breathe. 556 00:23:50,670 --> 00:23:53,370 I started screaming for Kimmy and Suzie, 557 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,030 but all I could hear was my banging. 558 00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:59,730 And all I could hear was Kimmy shouting, 559 00:23:59,770 --> 00:24:02,800 "It's Pipes, Mum, Pipes. Pipes is here." 560 00:24:02,830 --> 00:24:04,000 SARAH: That's awful. 561 00:24:04,030 --> 00:24:06,070 The girls got you out eventually. 562 00:24:06,100 --> 00:24:07,700 The thing is, 563 00:24:07,730 --> 00:24:10,200 when I was in there I swear, as God is my witness, 564 00:24:11,900 --> 00:24:13,700 I heard, I... 565 00:24:13,730 --> 00:24:16,330 Felt this man in there, with me, 566 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,300 breathing right up against my face. 567 00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:23,170 Like strong, like rotten cabbage. 568 00:24:25,170 --> 00:24:26,300 I nearly died. 569 00:24:26,330 --> 00:24:28,730 And... And when I got out, 570 00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:32,830 my head went, my knees went. 571 00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:34,730 Pam, let's go sit down. Come on. 572 00:24:35,930 --> 00:24:37,270 Tell us what happened next. 573 00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:42,400 Well, after glory hole, 574 00:24:42,430 --> 00:24:45,000 erm, I wrote to the Council 575 00:24:45,030 --> 00:24:46,400 to try and get us moved. 576 00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:48,200 SARAH: Mmm-hmm. 577 00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:51,930 But they wouldn't take it seriously. 578 00:24:51,970 --> 00:24:53,270 You know, like I was lying. 579 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,630 Just don't want to know really. 580 00:24:57,670 --> 00:24:59,670 We saw a social worker, 581 00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:03,330 and they said we should all see a psychiatrist. 582 00:25:03,370 --> 00:25:06,800 Tell me what happened when the newspapers got their teeth into the story. 583 00:25:06,830 --> 00:25:08,970 That was a disaster. 584 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,670 -Look at these. You got a lot of coverage. -Yeah. 585 00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:14,830 "'I believe in the Devil,' says Spook House Mother." 586 00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:16,070 Did you say that? 587 00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:17,200 PAMELA: (CHUCKLES) No, I didn't, no. 588 00:25:18,370 --> 00:25:20,330 SARAH: Here's "Power of Evil." 589 00:25:22,830 --> 00:25:25,700 PAMELA: Everyone was very friendly, but in the end, 590 00:25:25,730 --> 00:25:28,730 they all made us look even more like idiots. 591 00:25:28,770 --> 00:25:30,870 So I went to the local TV. 592 00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:32,630 -Can we have a look at that, actually? -Yeah. 593 00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:33,800 Here we are. 594 00:25:35,370 --> 00:25:37,370 (INDISTINCT CHATTERING) 595 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,100 I told her it was the central heating. 596 00:25:39,130 --> 00:25:42,270 So ever since then, she calls the noises "Pipes". 597 00:25:42,300 --> 00:25:45,100 So, Kim, aren't you a little bit afraid? 598 00:25:45,130 --> 00:25:47,000 Sometimes. 599 00:25:47,030 --> 00:25:49,630 MAN: (ON TV) Why? Do you think Mr Pipes has come to hurt you? 600 00:25:49,670 --> 00:25:51,230 I think he's come to hurt everybody. 601 00:25:51,270 --> 00:25:53,670 I think he wants to do nasty things. 602 00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:55,770 MAN: (ON TV) Okay. Thank you very much. 603 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,700 Now... 604 00:25:57,730 --> 00:26:00,830 Pam, thanks for letting us see that. 605 00:26:00,870 --> 00:26:02,630 They're ready for you now in the other studio. 606 00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:04,400 -All right. -Yeah. 607 00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:07,730 Pamela's just going to make her way outside now to our mini-studio. 608 00:26:07,770 --> 00:26:10,170 She'll be there waiting to take your calls. 609 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,870 In the meantime, let's go back to our main studio. 610 00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:14,770 And, Sarah, thank you very much indeed. 611 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,130 Dr Pascoe, what was your introduction to the Early family? 612 00:26:18,170 --> 00:26:20,170 DR PASCOE: Well, I saw that programme 613 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,630 that we've just seen an extract from 614 00:26:21,670 --> 00:26:23,630 and I offered to help if I could. 615 00:26:23,630 --> 00:26:25,200 MICHAEL: When you met Mrs Early then, 616 00:26:25,230 --> 00:26:27,300 was she then at the end of her tether? 617 00:26:27,330 --> 00:26:31,200 Yes, I'd had some experience of a fairly violent poltergeist case 618 00:26:31,230 --> 00:26:32,870 in Heidelberg, Germany. 619 00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:34,870 So, I knew what it could do to a family, emotionally. 620 00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:37,100 I see. Well, I believe that Mrs Early has joined us now. 621 00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:39,630 Pamela, hello. Thanks for joining us. 622 00:26:39,630 --> 00:26:41,230 -Hello. -MICHAEL: Yeah. 623 00:26:41,270 --> 00:26:43,370 And thanks also for allowing our cameras into your home. 624 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,370 That can't have been an easy decision to have taken. 625 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,330 Well, Suzanne was getting fed up with the jibes she was getting at school. 626 00:26:50,370 --> 00:26:53,730 Erm, with the papers calling us liars and everything. 627 00:26:53,770 --> 00:27:00,300 And she said, "Mum, Dr Pascoe wants us to do this BBC thing. 628 00:27:00,330 --> 00:27:02,670 "So, let's do it. And let's show everyone, 629 00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:04,230 "and then, they'll have to believe us." 630 00:27:04,270 --> 00:27:07,100 Erm, Pamela, I understand that you're quite keen to share 631 00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:08,900 your experience with our callers. 632 00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:10,230 Yes. 633 00:27:10,270 --> 00:27:12,400 And I want to tell everyone that, erm, 634 00:27:12,430 --> 00:27:15,070 they're not going mad like I thought I was sometimes. 635 00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:16,370 -That's right. -All right. 636 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,800 Well, we've got some callers on the line now. 637 00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:21,400 Let's take our first caller. Mike Smith, who is it? 638 00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:23,230 This is Sandra Hughes from Sussex. 639 00:27:23,270 --> 00:27:25,130 Right. Let's pick up the phones, Dr Pascoe. 640 00:27:26,670 --> 00:27:28,130 Sandra, hello. 641 00:27:28,170 --> 00:27:29,930 SANDRA: (ON PHONE) Oh, he... Hello. 642 00:27:29,970 --> 00:27:32,830 This is just that when I was a girl, 643 00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:35,670 I was brought up in a house in Brighton, 644 00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:37,730 and we had a ghost. 645 00:27:37,770 --> 00:27:40,000 And we'd often find things broken 646 00:27:40,030 --> 00:27:42,630 and, you know, those sorts of things. 647 00:27:42,670 --> 00:27:45,030 You're not alone, Sandra, honestly. 648 00:27:45,070 --> 00:27:49,230 SANDRA: (ON PHONE) And it's sort of coming out about this boy who died there, 649 00:27:49,270 --> 00:27:50,800 and how it's affected me. 650 00:27:50,830 --> 00:27:55,270 Because at the time, I didn't realise how much it affected me. 651 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,000 That's... That's all I wanted to say, really. 652 00:28:01,030 --> 00:28:03,830 Thank you, Sandra, for your call. Thanks a lot. 653 00:28:03,870 --> 00:28:06,200 Thank you too, Mrs Early, for joining us. 654 00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:09,130 Well, if you'd stay in the studio, then we'll come back to you in just a moment. 655 00:28:09,170 --> 00:28:10,900 There are one or two other things to talk about first of all. 656 00:28:10,930 --> 00:28:12,230 Thanks a lot. 657 00:28:12,270 --> 00:28:14,130 Now, what I want to talk about now, Dr Pascoe, 658 00:28:14,170 --> 00:28:17,970 is this book of yours, which I'll show to the camera there. 659 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,200 This is called Angels of the Odd. 660 00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:21,830 And it's a book that you wrote, 661 00:28:21,870 --> 00:28:24,830 your account of your investigation into this case. 662 00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:27,170 And you also made a film at the same time. 663 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,030 We've got an extract from the film. 664 00:28:29,070 --> 00:28:32,070 Perhaps you could talk us through what's happening here. 665 00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:33,400 -MAN: All right? -Yeah. 666 00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:35,000 DR PASCOE: Well, we did extensive interviews. 667 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,200 And we also used the Ganzfeld technique. 668 00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:40,400 MICHAEL: That's what we're seeing now. 669 00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:42,900 And that's where all the senses... 670 00:28:42,930 --> 00:28:45,370 Sensory inputs are blocked off. 671 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,930 DR PASCOE: Deprived, yeah. MICHAEL: Deprived, yes. 672 00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:49,000 And you just feed in the white sound... 673 00:28:49,030 --> 00:28:50,770 DR PASCOE: Yeah. MICHAEL: White noise, through the headphones there. 674 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,270 DR PASCOE: Bright light. MICHAEL: Yeah. 675 00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:55,070 DR PASCOE: Now, that's when we would hear the voice. 676 00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:58,030 "The voice"? Well, we should hear the voice actually. 677 00:28:58,070 --> 00:29:00,770 Let's hear it now. Because this is intriguing. 678 00:29:01,730 --> 00:29:04,030 Across here. 679 00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:06,870 I should say that this tape is completely undoctored. 680 00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:09,170 There's no edit on it whatsoever. 681 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,130 All right. We should also warn our viewers of a nervous disposition 682 00:29:13,170 --> 00:29:17,270 that there are things on this tape that they might find a little bit distressing. 683 00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:20,030 At one point, we filled Suzanne's mouth with coloured liquid, 684 00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:22,030 and we sealed her lips with tape, 685 00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:24,330 and the voice continued with absolutely no change in quality whatsoever. 686 00:29:24,370 --> 00:29:25,630 Let's hear it. 687 00:29:27,170 --> 00:29:28,670 (PLATES CRASHING) 688 00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:30,730 WOMAN: The window above the sink's just been shattered now. 689 00:29:30,770 --> 00:29:33,100 There's no... Oh, my God! 690 00:29:33,130 --> 00:29:34,400 Look, the chair has gone. 691 00:29:34,430 --> 00:29:36,670 (GIRL SCREAMING) 692 00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:38,870 GIRL: She's coming towards me, Mum! 693 00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:40,770 WOMAN: It's coming across the kitchen floor. 694 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,170 GIRL: Oh, my God! Mum! 695 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,870 (PANTING) 696 00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:48,100 WOMAN: It stopped. It's suddenly stopped moving. 697 00:29:48,130 --> 00:29:51,230 And everything seems to have gone quiet now. 698 00:29:51,270 --> 00:29:52,630 (GHOST GRUNTING) 699 00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:56,030 WOMAN: A grunt or something like that. 700 00:29:58,230 --> 00:30:01,230 If you can grunt, can you speak? 701 00:30:01,270 --> 00:30:04,630 GHOST: Round and round the garden... 702 00:30:04,670 --> 00:30:05,700 WOMAN: Oh, dear God, save us. 703 00:30:05,730 --> 00:30:08,070 GHOST: ...goes the teddy bear. 704 00:30:08,830 --> 00:30:11,030 One stone, 705 00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:14,200 two stone, take her... 706 00:30:16,170 --> 00:30:17,330 WOMAN: Who are you? 707 00:30:18,970 --> 00:30:21,830 What's your name? 708 00:30:21,870 --> 00:30:24,970 -(GHOST TALKING INDISTINCTLY) -WOMAN: Jesus Christ! Are you joking? 709 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,800 GHOST: (BREATHING HEAVILY) Very funny. 710 00:30:28,830 --> 00:30:29,930 WOMAN: Are you dead? 711 00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:33,700 Are you in heaven? 712 00:30:33,730 --> 00:30:38,670 GHOST: All good children go to bed. 713 00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:41,630 (GHOST CONTINUES INDISTINCTLY) 714 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,730 Bizarre. And chilling too. 715 00:30:52,770 --> 00:30:55,400 Well, forensic scientists at Cambridge examined the voice recording, 716 00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:57,400 and compared it to Suzanne's normal speech pattern. 717 00:30:57,430 --> 00:31:00,070 And they defined it as the voices of two separate people. 718 00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:02,030 Two people, yeah. 719 00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:05,230 -And, erm, we asked Suzanne to see, if she could... -Oh, my God! 720 00:31:05,270 --> 00:31:06,970 DR PASCOE: ...imitate the voice recording. 721 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,400 And she was unable to do so for more than a few seconds. 722 00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:11,370 MICHAEL: That's her, trying it there. DR PASCOE: Yeah. 723 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,770 -Try it again. -(IMITATING GHOST) Round and round the garden 724 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,100 like a teddy... Oh, my God. 725 00:31:17,130 --> 00:31:19,630 -MICHAEL: She can't do it. -No. Even under hypnosis, we tried that. 726 00:31:19,670 --> 00:31:21,270 -Really? And the same result? -Still the... 727 00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:24,200 What other evidence do we have, Doctor? 728 00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:28,900 Well, over the months, Alan Demescu, my partner, and I heard numerous noises... 729 00:31:28,930 --> 00:31:32,870 Thuds, bangs, scratching on the walls, knocking. 730 00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:36,670 The sort of normal noises you associate with poltergeist activity? 731 00:31:36,700 --> 00:31:38,130 What about this here, though? 732 00:31:38,170 --> 00:31:40,700 Ah, well, this is... This is my favourite, I think. 733 00:31:40,730 --> 00:31:44,970 This pillow moved diagonally to within about a foot of my face. 734 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,330 Now, it's impossible to fake that. How do you fake that? 735 00:31:47,370 --> 00:31:49,400 MICHAEL: (CHUCKLING) I don't know really at all. 736 00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:51,670 Let's have a look at some more evidence over here. 737 00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:54,670 This is the wreckage evidence, if you like. 738 00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:57,770 This is an extraordinary assembly of... 739 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,400 -There is this cup here for instance. -Yeah. 740 00:31:59,430 --> 00:32:01,630 Right? Let me show that in the camera there. 741 00:32:01,670 --> 00:32:03,830 Now, how did these breakages occur? 742 00:32:03,870 --> 00:32:05,300 -Were they dropped? -DR PASCOE: Well, no... 743 00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:07,130 -The army did some analysis of this for us. -Yeah. 744 00:32:07,170 --> 00:32:10,830 And they said it'd been caused by intense temperature change. 745 00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:11,970 Not by impact or shock. 746 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,770 MICHAEL: Really? 747 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:14,930 -This temperature... There you are. -DR PASCOE: Yeah. 748 00:32:14,970 --> 00:32:16,930 MICHAEL: Look, the headless lady. 749 00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:20,300 And lots more guys here, and crockery. 750 00:32:20,330 --> 00:32:22,200 -Look at that. -DR PASCOE: Yeah. 751 00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:25,200 And clocks or watches just stop when they're in the house. 752 00:32:25,230 --> 00:32:28,170 I mean, I just gave up wearing one. There's no point. 753 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,630 MICHAEL: And the favourites in situations like this... 754 00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:33,630 God, the spoons that are bent. 755 00:32:33,670 --> 00:32:36,070 Quite remarkable. 756 00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:38,830 Couple of regular little Uri Gellers, those sisters. 757 00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:41,170 Yes, they weren't even in the room sometimes. 758 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,230 You'd just open the drawer and they are there. 759 00:32:43,270 --> 00:32:45,030 -And you saw all this happen? -Yeah, many times. 760 00:32:45,070 --> 00:32:47,000 Many, many times. 761 00:32:47,030 --> 00:32:48,670 Extraordinary. 762 00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:53,100 Let's now look at another piece of evidence, Doctor. 763 00:32:53,130 --> 00:32:57,300 And that's the situation where Suzanne's face at times is 764 00:32:57,330 --> 00:32:59,770 covered with marks, with lesions. 765 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,800 Before I talk to you about that, 766 00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:03,700 I'd like to talk to Suzanne. 767 00:33:03,730 --> 00:33:04,770 And I think that... 768 00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:07,270 Yeah, there they are. 769 00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:09,400 -We're on. Yeah. Here we are. -We're going live over there. 770 00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:11,170 So I'd like to talk to Suzanne. 771 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,900 Suzanne, when did you first get these marks on your face? 772 00:33:13,930 --> 00:33:15,200 When did they first show? 773 00:33:15,230 --> 00:33:17,100 About July, the first one was. 774 00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:20,100 It was horrible. 775 00:33:20,130 --> 00:33:23,300 Well, I'd just wake up and it would feel like someone was all over me. 776 00:33:26,730 --> 00:33:28,870 And in fact, we've got there, Dr Pascoe, 777 00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:31,630 we've got some of the pictures that were taken there 778 00:33:31,670 --> 00:33:33,800 of the face of that girl 779 00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:36,830 with these extraordinary marks on them. 780 00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:39,870 DR PASCOE: Alan and I watched them appear on her face, 781 00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:42,200 quite literally in front of our eyes. 782 00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:43,870 MICHAEL: There's another shot there. Look. 783 00:33:45,070 --> 00:33:47,000 Remarkable. 784 00:33:47,030 --> 00:33:48,630 Now we've seen, Dr Pascoe... 785 00:33:48,670 --> 00:33:52,230 We've seen the evidence that you've collected so far. 786 00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:55,030 I'd like your theory. 787 00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:57,030 From what we've seen, do you think that the 788 00:33:57,070 --> 00:33:59,100 poltergeist activity, such that it is, 789 00:33:59,130 --> 00:34:01,970 is now centred on Suzanne? 790 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,300 Well, certainly as a female approaching puberty, 791 00:34:04,330 --> 00:34:07,700 she does conform to the classic typical poltergeist focus. 792 00:34:07,730 --> 00:34:09,700 -Yeah. -Broken family background, 793 00:34:09,730 --> 00:34:11,270 she's introverted. 794 00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:15,030 She tends maybe to direct her stress and anxiety inwards 795 00:34:15,070 --> 00:34:18,000 until it has nowhere to go, and then... Bam. 796 00:34:18,030 --> 00:34:20,030 I see. 797 00:34:20,070 --> 00:34:22,900 I think we've still got Mrs Early there, in our outside broadcast studio. 798 00:34:22,930 --> 00:34:24,700 If she's... Yes. There you are. 799 00:34:24,730 --> 00:34:27,230 Mrs Early, I don't know quite if you heard that, 800 00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:29,270 what Dr Pascoe was saying. 801 00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:33,170 Well, she said that Suzanne was the classic typical poltergeist focus. 802 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,900 She was the person that all this energy was focusing on. 803 00:34:36,930 --> 00:34:38,630 What do you think about that? 804 00:34:38,670 --> 00:34:42,830 Well, there's nothing wrong with my Suzie. I know that. 805 00:34:42,870 --> 00:34:47,400 If my Suzie's funny, well, how does that explain the other things like, erm, 806 00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:50,630 like the glory hole? It doesn't and it can't. 807 00:34:50,670 --> 00:34:52,800 So you disagree with Dr Pascoe's theory that 808 00:34:52,830 --> 00:34:56,370 Suzanne's psychological problems are the cause of these disturbances. 809 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,330 I think what you're saying really is, in fact, that you believe it's a natural ghost. 810 00:35:01,030 --> 00:35:02,200 Don't you, Lin? 811 00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:04,370 Pam, I'm not disagreeing with you. 812 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,130 Please believe me. I'm on your side. 813 00:35:06,170 --> 00:35:07,870 I know that there's something there. 814 00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:10,800 I'm just trying to understand what it is. 815 00:35:10,830 --> 00:35:13,100 A poltergeist can be location-based or person-based. 816 00:35:13,130 --> 00:35:15,630 I mean, who knows? Maybe this is both. 817 00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:18,670 I mean, of course a lot of people would have it that there's nothing there at all. 818 00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:22,000 Yeah, well, a lot of people would have it at one time that you couldn't walk on the moon. 819 00:35:22,030 --> 00:35:25,130 All right. Well, in order to avoid any accusations of bias, 820 00:35:25,170 --> 00:35:28,070 I'd like to bring in physicist Emilio Sylvestri. 821 00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:30,630 A former member of the sceptic society, CSICOP, 822 00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:34,870 the Committee for the Scientific Investigation for Claims of the Paranormal. 823 00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:36,400 He's in New York. 824 00:35:36,430 --> 00:35:37,770 Good evening, Dr Sylvestri. 825 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,870 Good evening. 826 00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:41,930 Thank you for joining us. You've looked at the evidence in this case. 827 00:35:41,970 --> 00:35:43,900 I'd like to hear your conclusions. What are they? 828 00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:47,130 Well, I think it's pretty obvious 829 00:35:47,170 --> 00:35:49,800 there's nothing in the tape that couldn't be faked. 830 00:35:49,830 --> 00:35:52,670 The bedroom footage is totally inconclusive. 831 00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:54,670 It could all be done with wires, for all we know. 832 00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:56,370 DR PASCOE: And the legions on Suzanne's face? 833 00:35:57,370 --> 00:35:58,870 Scratched by her fingernails. 834 00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:00,670 DR PASCOE: She's not lying. Believe her. 835 00:36:01,830 --> 00:36:03,230 I'd love to. 836 00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:04,670 The same as I'd love to believe I'm going to heaven, 837 00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:07,000 but... Doesn't make it a scientific fact. 838 00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:08,870 DR PASCOE: But if people do believe in something, 839 00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:11,000 surely, we shouldn't discount it. 840 00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:14,670 I mean, it's all part of human experience and that's what we're studying. 841 00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:16,070 Well... Fine, fine. 842 00:36:16,100 --> 00:36:17,630 But is it measurable? 843 00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:19,900 Is it provable? No... 844 00:36:19,930 --> 00:36:23,830 For years, parapsychologists have been trying to prove their loony theories 845 00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:25,370 in laboratory conditions, 846 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,130 and they can't. 847 00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:30,030 Yeah, that's right. We can't. That's where we went wrong. 848 00:36:30,070 --> 00:36:32,630 There are some things you can't demonstrate in a lab. 849 00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:35,100 Show me falling in love in a lab. 850 00:36:35,130 --> 00:36:37,870 Show me poetic inspiration in a lab. 851 00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:39,870 You can't. You've got to get out of the lab and into real life, 852 00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:43,070 and that's what we're trying to do tonight. 853 00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:46,700 These people are not deceiving us or themselves. Look at them. 854 00:36:46,730 --> 00:36:49,800 They're in trauma for God's sake. Why would they do it to themselves? 855 00:36:49,830 --> 00:36:53,630 The Early family are suffering just like people who've had murder bereavements, 856 00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:55,930 or plane crashes. 857 00:36:55,970 --> 00:36:59,630 The only difference is that nobody says that they don't believe in plane crashes. 858 00:36:59,630 --> 00:37:02,630 But most of us don't believe that people come back from them. 859 00:37:02,670 --> 00:37:04,770 See, that's... 860 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,130 What you're always forgetting, Emilio, is that you have a belief system, too. 861 00:37:07,170 --> 00:37:09,100 Your belief system is blanket denial. 862 00:37:09,130 --> 00:37:11,630 You joke about it because you're afraid to face it. 863 00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:14,270 (SCOFFS) That old chestnut. 864 00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:17,000 Look, Lin, you ought to be selling crystals on Venice Beach, 865 00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:18,870 or palm reading, 866 00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:21,400 or a counsellor, a confidant, a guide maybe. 867 00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:24,070 But a scientist? I don't think so. 868 00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:26,870 MICHAEL: Dr Sylvestri, for the moment, thank you very much indeed. 869 00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:29,400 I hope you'll stay with us in our studio in New York, 870 00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:31,130 and keep an eye on what's happening here, 871 00:37:31,170 --> 00:37:33,370 and from time to time, give us a comment on proceedings. 872 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,900 Thanks for joining us. 873 00:37:34,930 --> 00:37:36,030 Well, there you are, Lin. 874 00:37:36,070 --> 00:37:37,700 What do you think about that? 875 00:37:37,730 --> 00:37:40,070 CSICOP people have nothing to do with parapsychology. 876 00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:41,700 They're just a sign of the times. 877 00:37:41,730 --> 00:37:42,770 In what way? 878 00:37:44,330 --> 00:37:46,130 They're the last of the materialists. 879 00:37:46,170 --> 00:37:47,370 Like the last of the dinosaurs. 880 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,900 The world's changing. 881 00:37:48,930 --> 00:37:50,670 Good doctor made you cross, didn't he? 882 00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:52,730 No. 883 00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:56,130 Right. Do or do now. Let's go straight over to Sarah in Foxhill Drive. 884 00:37:56,170 --> 00:37:57,270 Hang on. 885 00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:59,170 Sarah, what's happening there? 886 00:38:00,130 --> 00:38:01,370 It's quite quiet, actually. 887 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,100 A bit too quiet. 888 00:38:03,130 --> 00:38:04,300 Though, I must say, earlier on, 889 00:38:04,330 --> 00:38:06,800 Suze turned off Dr Sylvestri. 890 00:38:06,830 --> 00:38:08,670 I don't think she was that enamoured. 891 00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:10,300 What does he know? He's not here. 892 00:38:10,330 --> 00:38:12,700 MICHAEL: Well, in the moment we've got here now, Sarah, 893 00:38:12,730 --> 00:38:15,100 perhaps you could tell us that ghost story you told us about earlier on. 894 00:38:15,130 --> 00:38:17,000 Oh, yes, all right. 895 00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:18,370 Well, it was sort of a ghost story. 896 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,400 -It happened... -I can start another one. 897 00:38:20,430 --> 00:38:21,830 A couple of months ago now. 898 00:38:21,870 --> 00:38:24,230 We were staying at some friends of ours' home. 899 00:38:24,270 --> 00:38:25,630 They live in the Cotswolds. 900 00:38:25,630 --> 00:38:29,100 Beautiful 15th, 16th century house. 901 00:38:29,130 --> 00:38:31,630 And one night, 902 00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:35,630 I was woken up by the sound of this harpsichord music. 903 00:38:35,630 --> 00:38:37,000 It was like chamber music. 904 00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:40,170 But, you know, when a noise comes into your dream, 905 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,330 and you're not quite sure it's in the dream, 906 00:38:42,370 --> 00:38:44,230 or whether it's actually happening. 907 00:38:44,270 --> 00:38:46,230 It was that kind of effect. 908 00:38:46,270 --> 00:38:48,300 But it woke me up nonetheless. 909 00:38:48,330 --> 00:38:50,900 And when I tried to get back to sleep again, 910 00:38:50,930 --> 00:38:52,330 I could still hear it. 911 00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:56,070 But all I could see was this Indian woman's face. 912 00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:59,900 And she had her hair sort of pulled across her forehead and then tightly back. 913 00:38:59,930 --> 00:39:01,670 And kohl around her eyes. 914 00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:03,400 And her eyes were going from side to side. 915 00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:05,770 You know, like in Indian dancing. 916 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,670 And slowly, the eyes lifted up and rolled right back until they were white, 917 00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:11,700 and then the face went. 918 00:39:11,730 --> 00:39:15,170 The next morning, I couldn't wait to tell everybody about this. 919 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,930 And the people whose house it is... 920 00:39:18,970 --> 00:39:23,730 They told me that the house had once belonged to the viceroy of India. 921 00:39:23,770 --> 00:39:28,170 And he had had two Indian concubines living in the house with him. 922 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,770 And when they died, 923 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,970 he couldn't bury them in consecrated ground. 924 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,970 He wasn't allowed to. So he buried them out in his garden. 925 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,400 And there had been talk in the village 926 00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:44,000 of actually digging up the grave to see what else was down there. 927 00:39:44,030 --> 00:39:46,330 And it became very clear to me that this was a sort of message to say, 928 00:39:46,370 --> 00:39:48,930 "No, don't. They mustn't do it." 929 00:39:48,970 --> 00:39:53,200 And so, when I found out that they weren't in fact planning to do anything with the grave, 930 00:39:53,230 --> 00:39:54,600 they wouldn't dream of it, 931 00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:56,630 I went back up to the bedroom, 932 00:39:56,670 --> 00:39:59,870 and I just sort of said, "Don't worry. Nothing's going to happen." 933 00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:03,230 And it was as though the atmosphere changed straightaway. 934 00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:06,830 I have to say Smithy was a bit scared the next night. 935 00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:09,330 He wouldn't admit it, but he was. 936 00:40:09,370 --> 00:40:11,130 But nothing happened. 937 00:40:11,170 --> 00:40:14,170 And it was as though everything had gone calm again. 938 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,630 But the important thing here, it wasn't scary. At all. 939 00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:20,270 I mean, the music and the vision was very beautiful. 940 00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:22,200 But... That's why I wanted to do this programme. 941 00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:23,630 'Cause it's intriguing. 942 00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:25,630 -You all right? -(WHISPERING INDISTINCTLY) 943 00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:27,100 Okay, yeah. 944 00:40:27,130 --> 00:40:29,230 Kim just wants to go to bed now. It's a bit late. 945 00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:31,670 What time do you normally go to bed? 946 00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:33,130 -8:00. -8:00. Come on then. 947 00:40:33,170 --> 00:40:34,670 You must be a bit tired. 948 00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:39,370 KIM: Say hi to Mum. 949 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,130 SARAH: You want to just say hi to Mum? Okay. 950 00:40:41,170 --> 00:40:43,300 Well, tell you what? If you look up to that camera there... 951 00:40:43,330 --> 00:40:45,070 -Yeah. Little thing there. -That? 952 00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:46,900 And you'll be speaking to her, Kim. Say good night to her. 953 00:40:46,930 --> 00:40:49,070 -Good night, Mum. -Good night, love. Sweet dreams. 954 00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:51,030 Good night, Kim. 955 00:40:51,070 --> 00:40:52,800 DR PASCOE: Remember, there's nothing to be scared of. 956 00:40:52,830 --> 00:40:54,300 To bed. 957 00:40:55,830 --> 00:40:57,800 You really think there's nothing to be scared of? 958 00:40:57,830 --> 00:40:59,770 SARAH: There we are. 959 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,870 Well, one says, the paranormal's no more scary than 960 00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:04,770 the weather or the tides. 961 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,070 I mean, all those things can harm us. 962 00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:07,800 But we can also understand them. 963 00:41:07,830 --> 00:41:09,170 All right? Can I leave that light on? 964 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,770 -Yeah. Good night. -All right. Good night. 965 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,230 -Keep warm. -Yep. 966 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,770 MICHAEL: So, Sarah, got anything to report at all? 967 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,100 No. Nothing. 968 00:41:23,130 --> 00:41:24,900 Just the cold. 969 00:41:24,930 --> 00:41:26,870 It's typical, isn't it? 970 00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:28,730 A house full of technology, and nobody's bothered to find out 971 00:41:28,770 --> 00:41:31,300 whether central heating switch is on. 972 00:41:31,330 --> 00:41:32,970 You okay, Suzanne? 973 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,070 -Yes, I am. -Got your crisps? 974 00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:36,930 -Yeah. -Yeah? Good. All right. 975 00:41:36,970 --> 00:41:39,770 Now, guys, I think we've earned ourselves a cup of coffee, don't you? 976 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,070 MAN: Yeah. 977 00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:43,370 Pam told me where everything was, so... 978 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,670 It's just there. 979 00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:47,800 Mike, how do you take the coffee? 980 00:41:47,830 --> 00:41:49,100 MIKE A: Black, one sugar please. 981 00:41:49,130 --> 00:41:50,300 SARAH: Okay. What about you, Chris? 982 00:41:50,330 --> 00:41:51,830 CHRIS: Milk, one sugar please. 983 00:41:54,770 --> 00:41:55,800 There we are. 984 00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:58,630 You know what? 985 00:41:58,630 --> 00:42:02,630 I think I'd almost feel happier if something was happening. 986 00:42:02,670 --> 00:42:07,300 It's sort of eerier just waiting, really, don't you find? 987 00:42:07,330 --> 00:42:12,130 MIKE A: Well, I think, I might've heard something earlier. Sort of... 988 00:42:12,170 --> 00:42:14,700 Just like an animal scratching its feet, but 989 00:42:14,730 --> 00:42:16,870 they don't record in this camera at all. 990 00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:18,330 -Really? -MIKE A: Yeah. 991 00:42:18,370 --> 00:42:21,370 CHRIS: And I noticed earlier my watch had stopped. 992 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,630 -Really? -CHRIS: Yeah. 993 00:42:22,670 --> 00:42:23,930 What time? When? 994 00:42:23,970 --> 00:42:25,330 CHRIS: Er, just before we went on air. 995 00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:28,870 DR PASCOE: I said watches have a hard time. 996 00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:30,400 Par for the course I'm afraid. 997 00:42:30,430 --> 00:42:32,030 I'm fine. 998 00:42:32,070 --> 00:42:33,630 Just as long as we all know, eh? 999 00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:35,370 MICHAEL: Don't spook yourself. 1000 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:36,870 No, it's all right. 1001 00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:38,630 That's what we're being paid for. 1002 00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:40,100 We're okay, anyway. Look. 1003 00:42:40,130 --> 00:42:42,700 We've got an old hand to help us over here. 1004 00:42:42,730 --> 00:42:44,800 Now I just put the kettle on. Do you want a cup of tea or coffee? 1005 00:42:44,830 --> 00:42:46,770 -No, thanks. I'm having orange juice, okay? -All right. 1006 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,900 Can you get me a glass please? 1007 00:42:48,930 --> 00:42:51,800 -SARAH: Where? They're just up here in the cupboard. -Yeah, that's right. 1008 00:42:51,830 --> 00:42:54,200 While you're in the fridge, just pass me some milk. 1009 00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:55,830 Yeah. Sure. 1010 00:42:55,870 --> 00:42:56,870 Whoo. 1011 00:42:57,870 --> 00:42:59,230 A balancing act. There we are. 1012 00:43:02,330 --> 00:43:04,770 -Mum! -Hello, love. Are you all right? 1013 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,030 Yeah, I'm fine. Are you all right? 1014 00:43:06,070 --> 00:43:07,100 Yes. 1015 00:43:09,230 --> 00:43:11,830 MICHAEL: Well, there we are. So far, so good. 1016 00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:13,900 Now as you know, we asked you to join our 1017 00:43:13,930 --> 00:43:17,170 exploration of the supernatural by telling us your ghost story. 1018 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,130 Well, here's someone with a tale to tell, 1019 00:43:19,170 --> 00:43:21,370 who wants to conceal his identity. 1020 00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:25,230 We had this dreadful day, er, 1021 00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:27,170 that first evening. 1022 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,930 with duvets being tugged off me. 1023 00:43:28,970 --> 00:43:32,200 Except for being quite amusing, we'd been laughing about it. 1024 00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:35,270 It wasn't at all malevolent or nasty. 1025 00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:36,970 But this particular day, it certainly was. 1026 00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:40,100 One of the first incidents that day... 1027 00:43:40,130 --> 00:43:42,100 We were eating lunch and... 1028 00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:46,300 I think it was mackerel or something like that. 1029 00:43:46,330 --> 00:43:48,630 We both looked down, this is my half-sister and me, 1030 00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:51,230 and saw what looked like saliva 1031 00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:53,400 all over the mackerel. 1032 00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:55,130 Of course we couldn't eat it. 1033 00:43:55,170 --> 00:43:57,630 And shortly after that, 1034 00:43:57,670 --> 00:44:02,100 I found again what looked like saliva on the front doorstep. 1035 00:44:03,070 --> 00:44:04,370 Erm... 1036 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,900 I start... I lost my temper with it. 1037 00:44:05,930 --> 00:44:07,270 For the first time, I say "it." 1038 00:44:07,300 --> 00:44:09,030 This presence, whatever it was... 1039 00:44:09,070 --> 00:44:10,830 And I started shouting and swearing. 1040 00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:12,830 And immediately, again, spit... 1041 00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:15,170 What looked like spit appeared on my shoes. 1042 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,170 As if in retaliation. 1043 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,830 And either shortly before or shortly after this... 1044 00:44:21,870 --> 00:44:26,830 Literally was disgusting. (STAMMERING) We found excrement smeared 1045 00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:29,400 on a cupboard door in the bathroom. 1046 00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:32,800 We had already, in fact found, er, 1047 00:44:32,830 --> 00:44:35,970 such things in various parts of the flat. 1048 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,300 This was the first time we actually found anything smeared like that on the door. 1049 00:44:39,330 --> 00:44:41,170 So it had to be cleared up. It was really horrible. 1050 00:44:43,170 --> 00:44:45,300 And from someone who believes in ghosts 1051 00:44:45,330 --> 00:44:47,800 to someone who's not quite sure. 1052 00:44:47,830 --> 00:44:49,170 Let's join Craig Charles. 1053 00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:51,030 Boo! 1054 00:44:51,070 --> 00:44:53,070 I bet that scared you, didn't it? 1055 00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:55,930 No, this is not a mask. This is Craig Charles, live, you lucky people. 1056 00:44:55,970 --> 00:44:58,030 And here we have the thrill-seekers. 1057 00:44:58,070 --> 00:44:59,700 Pillars of the community. 1058 00:44:59,730 --> 00:45:01,800 All waiting to see if the ghost is going to arrive. 1059 00:45:01,830 --> 00:45:03,730 Welcome to Fright Night. 1060 00:45:03,770 --> 00:45:06,970 Now I'm gonna give you a little guided tour of the community. 1061 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:11,030 And we're gonna meet some people who are pretty upset about some weird goings-on. 1062 00:45:11,070 --> 00:45:13,100 And we're gonna go to a pretty sinister place. 1063 00:45:13,130 --> 00:45:15,770 Let's break into a little bit of a jog, lads. 1064 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,130 Gets me fit, this jog. 1065 00:45:17,170 --> 00:45:18,930 That's why I told Michael, I hate Halloween. 1066 00:45:18,970 --> 00:45:20,900 I hate apples. I hate dud apples. 1067 00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:23,930 I hate little kids all dressed up in... Like the devil. 1068 00:45:23,970 --> 00:45:26,630 I'm going to meet this woman, Yvonne Etherly. 1069 00:45:26,670 --> 00:45:29,870 And she's on this piece of waste ground here, I think. 1070 00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:33,770 And then she's gonna tell us some pretty peculiar things. 1071 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,030 Erm, Yvonne Etherly. 1072 00:45:36,070 --> 00:45:38,200 Yvonne? Which one... You're Yvonne. 1073 00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:40,370 Okay. Yvonne, can you... 1074 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,730 Can you tell me about some of the things that've been going on around here? 1075 00:45:42,770 --> 00:45:45,700 Well, we live opposite Pam at number 43, 1076 00:45:45,730 --> 00:45:48,070 and one night, ages ago now, 1077 00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:49,400 we heard all this banging. 1078 00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:51,030 So we went to the front door, 1079 00:45:51,070 --> 00:45:52,970 and it was obvious it was coming from Pam's house. 1080 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,130 CRAIG: So what did you see? 1081 00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:55,970 Well, the top window was smashed, 1082 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,900 and Pam and Kimmy were in the garden crying. 1083 00:45:57,930 --> 00:46:00,300 So, we made them a cup of tea. 1084 00:46:00,330 --> 00:46:03,130 And they just come in into ours 1085 00:46:03,170 --> 00:46:05,770 whenever they need to, basically. 1086 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,100 CRAIG: It all sounds a little bit weird. 1087 00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:10,200 What's it like living in England's Amityville? 1088 00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:11,370 Well, it's no joke. 1089 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,400 I mean, it's not very funny. 1090 00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:15,800 I mean, some really weird and horrible things happen around here. 1091 00:46:15,830 --> 00:46:17,670 CRAIG: Well, what kind of weird things? 1092 00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:20,030 Well, there was that wee girl that went missing. 1093 00:46:20,070 --> 00:46:21,700 -Judy Weiland. -Judy Weiland. 1094 00:46:21,730 --> 00:46:22,830 It was in all the papers. 1095 00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:24,130 What happened to her? 1096 00:46:24,170 --> 00:46:28,370 We don't know. She just disappeared and then... 1097 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,870 Well, I know you're always reading about people that were knifed and that sort of thing. 1098 00:46:31,900 --> 00:46:34,630 But somebody was knifed around here that was five years old. 1099 00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:36,170 CRAIG: Five years old? 1100 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,870 Okay. Can you tell me a little bit about this playground? 1101 00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:41,000 Yeah. 1102 00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:42,100 Shall I go in? 1103 00:46:42,130 --> 00:46:43,270 Yeah, yeah. Come on. 1104 00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:45,330 Well, it was this summer. 1105 00:46:45,370 --> 00:46:49,230 My... My youngest son, Gary, came running into the house in a real state. 1106 00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:53,770 So, when I calmed him down, it seemed that they'd been playing in here, 1107 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,330 and they'd found this dead black Labrador. 1108 00:46:56,370 --> 00:46:57,800 Where did they find it? 1109 00:46:57,830 --> 00:46:59,330 It was about here. 1110 00:46:59,370 --> 00:47:01,130 And how had it died? 1111 00:47:01,170 --> 00:47:03,700 Well, it'd been cut open, like something in a butcher's shop. 1112 00:47:03,730 --> 00:47:06,000 Can you imagine the kind of person that would do something like that? 1113 00:47:06,030 --> 00:47:08,030 Is that all that happened? 1114 00:47:08,070 --> 00:47:09,330 Well, it was pregnant. 1115 00:47:09,370 --> 00:47:12,000 There were foetuses scattered all over. 1116 00:47:12,030 --> 00:47:14,130 The kids wouldn't play for weeks. 1117 00:47:14,170 --> 00:47:15,770 I should imagine not. 1118 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,330 So as you can see, this is a pretty sinister place. 1119 00:47:18,370 --> 00:47:21,070 Now I'm gonna try and find the guy who tried unsuccessfully 1120 00:47:21,100 --> 00:47:23,130 to exorcise Foxhill Drive. 1121 00:47:23,170 --> 00:47:25,800 A Mr Arthur Lacey. Arthur Lacey? 1122 00:47:25,830 --> 00:47:28,230 Arthur Lacey. Come with me, Arthur. 1123 00:47:28,270 --> 00:47:31,100 You got involved in your professional capacity, I believe. 1124 00:47:31,130 --> 00:47:32,400 ARTHUR: Well, not exactly. 1125 00:47:32,430 --> 00:47:34,400 By profession, I'm a British Royal Guard. 1126 00:47:34,430 --> 00:47:37,000 CRAIG: Ah. But in your spare time, you're a medium? 1127 00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:39,070 ARTHUR: Well, I'm a spiritualist. CRAIG: A spiritualist. 1128 00:47:39,100 --> 00:47:41,870 ARTHUR: Yes, and through God, I've been given the task, when I can, 1129 00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:44,670 to help spirits that may have lost their way. 1130 00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:48,230 So, you, erm... You exorcised Foxhill Drive. 1131 00:47:48,270 --> 00:47:51,900 Well, it wasn't the Ruituale Romanum, bell, book and candle. 1132 00:47:51,930 --> 00:47:54,330 No, I simply went and prayed with the family. 1133 00:47:54,370 --> 00:47:57,770 And offered a guiding light to whatever poor soul might need it. 1134 00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,870 And can you tell us what happened? 1135 00:47:59,900 --> 00:48:01,630 You know how they say that 1136 00:48:01,630 --> 00:48:03,830 pigs can sense it before they get to the slaughterhouse? 1137 00:48:03,870 --> 00:48:06,930 Well, I had this overwhelming sense of evil, 1138 00:48:06,970 --> 00:48:10,230 of spiritual decay, is the only way I can describe it as. 1139 00:48:10,270 --> 00:48:12,300 Yeah, I was physically sick for a week. 1140 00:48:12,330 --> 00:48:14,170 I smelt blood on my hands. 1141 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,130 Something didn't want me near it. 1142 00:48:17,170 --> 00:48:18,930 Didn't believe it was dead. 1143 00:48:18,970 --> 00:48:22,300 So do you believe there is such a thing as... 1144 00:48:22,330 --> 00:48:24,170 I don't know, an evil place? 1145 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,870 Well, there are degrees, yes, shades in all places. 1146 00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:29,300 I mean, anyone who buys a house finds themselves 1147 00:48:29,330 --> 00:48:31,800 weighing up these vibrations subconsciously. 1148 00:48:31,830 --> 00:48:34,070 You see, I think that 1149 00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:37,900 just as we are the product of our mothers and fathers and their mothers and fathers, 1150 00:48:37,930 --> 00:48:42,270 I think that places somehow inherit the genes in their past too, somehow. 1151 00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:43,670 Yeah? 1152 00:48:43,700 --> 00:48:45,730 Hey, trick-or-treaters I think. 1153 00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:47,230 -Hey, what's your name? -Katie. 1154 00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:48,800 -And your name? -Billy. 1155 00:48:48,830 --> 00:48:50,630 Billy and Katie. Sounds a little bit like a... 1156 00:48:50,670 --> 00:48:51,900 MICHAEL: Craig. Craig. 1157 00:48:51,930 --> 00:48:53,930 I'm sorry to have to cut you off there. 1158 00:48:53,970 --> 00:48:57,400 In fact, I've just heard that we've got to go back to Sarah. 1159 00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:59,670 Sarah's got something important for us. 1160 00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:01,100 Sarah? 1161 00:49:01,130 --> 00:49:02,630 Yes, what is it? 1162 00:49:02,670 --> 00:49:04,230 What have you got? 1163 00:49:04,270 --> 00:49:06,200 Yeah, we definitely got something here. Just look at this. 1164 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,100 Now, can you see this? 1165 00:49:09,130 --> 00:49:10,800 MICHAEL: I certainly can, clearly. 1166 00:49:10,830 --> 00:49:12,670 SARAH: Well, there's no way it could've gotten there. 1167 00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:15,300 I thought maybe an old tomcat had got in or something. 1168 00:49:15,330 --> 00:49:17,200 DR PASCOE: Sarah, when did you see this? 1169 00:49:17,230 --> 00:49:20,100 Well, I took Suzanne up to bed... 1170 00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:22,230 In fact, all of us went upstairs. 1171 00:49:22,270 --> 00:49:25,170 Erm, nobody was down here at all. 1172 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,170 Ten minutes ago, it wasn't here. 1173 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,130 DR PASCOE: Sarah, have you got a handkerchief? 1174 00:49:29,170 --> 00:49:31,130 Can you see if the light fitting is working? 1175 00:49:31,170 --> 00:49:32,230 Thanks. That's great. 1176 00:49:32,270 --> 00:49:34,230 Yeah, we'll do that for you. 1177 00:49:34,270 --> 00:49:36,630 Better turn the light off first, hadn't I? 1178 00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:38,230 All right. Okay. 1179 00:49:39,330 --> 00:49:40,330 Here we go. 1180 00:49:42,030 --> 00:49:44,570 I'll put this. This is strong enough to hold me. 1181 00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:46,770 There we are. (EXHALES) 1182 00:49:48,330 --> 00:49:49,900 -DR PASCOE: Anything? -Er... 1183 00:49:49,930 --> 00:49:51,600 There's nothing dripped off here, first of all. 1184 00:49:51,630 --> 00:49:53,100 DR PASCOE: No stains on the ceiling? 1185 00:49:53,130 --> 00:49:54,270 Just see, if there's anything? 1186 00:49:54,300 --> 00:49:56,200 DR PASCOE: No? 1187 00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:58,630 -Forced concrete. -SARAH: No, this is all completely dry. 1188 00:49:58,670 --> 00:50:01,330 DR PASCOE: So, it couldn't come from below. Is there any smell, Sarah? 1189 00:50:01,370 --> 00:50:03,000 SARAH: No, nothing. 1190 00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:05,070 DR PASCOE: Can you smell the hanky, maybe? 1191 00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:06,770 See if there's anything on that now. 1192 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,030 Any odour? 1193 00:50:08,070 --> 00:50:09,830 The hanky? (SNIFFS) 1194 00:50:09,870 --> 00:50:12,030 No, no, can't smell anything at all. 1195 00:50:12,070 --> 00:50:14,230 DR PASCOE: No. Can you take a sample for us? 1196 00:50:14,270 --> 00:50:15,700 Have you got anything that you could... 1197 00:50:15,730 --> 00:50:17,830 Yeah, er, what can we use for a sample? 1198 00:50:17,870 --> 00:50:19,700 Something to swipe it up. 1199 00:50:19,730 --> 00:50:21,670 CHRIS: I got a lens duster. 1200 00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:23,400 DR PASCOE: All right, that would do. 1201 00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:25,300 Yeah, we're gonna use this to... Can I give you this hanky? 1202 00:50:25,330 --> 00:50:27,000 Great. There. 1203 00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:30,600 See if we can suck some of whatever it is up with this. 1204 00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:31,970 Here we are. 1205 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,730 DR PASCOE: You see, look, it's typical. 1206 00:50:33,770 --> 00:50:35,400 It's typical poltergeist. 1207 00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:38,030 If you pour water from a jug, it's almost impossible to... 1208 00:50:38,070 --> 00:50:39,730 To avoid getting an erratic outline. 1209 00:50:39,770 --> 00:50:42,370 Now these pools are perfectly oval, they're unbroken. 1210 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,170 -SARAH: Good. -(SUZANNE COUGHS) 1211 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,630 SARAH: Oh, Suzanne. 1212 00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:49,070 MICHAEL: Is she all right? 1213 00:50:49,100 --> 00:50:50,370 SARAH: You okay? 1214 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,100 Yeah, I've just got a bit of a nippy tummy. 1215 00:50:52,130 --> 00:50:55,630 SARAH: Oh, let me get you some Eno or something, hang on. 1216 00:50:55,670 --> 00:51:00,270 Doctor, when they've got those samples that we saw them taking there, 1217 00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:03,070 er, what do you do with them when you get the sample? 1218 00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:05,670 Well, we'll test it to see if the calcium and the magnesium salts 1219 00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:07,830 match the hardness of the local tap water. 1220 00:51:07,870 --> 00:51:09,630 And where does it come from? 1221 00:51:10,270 --> 00:51:11,270 Don't know. 1222 00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:21,970 Can't get any water out. 1223 00:51:23,630 --> 00:51:25,000 (BANGING) 1224 00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:26,130 (SCREAMS) 1225 00:51:26,170 --> 00:51:27,170 (LAUGHS) 1226 00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:32,700 (SIGHS) Can't get it off now. 1227 00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:36,370 There we are, soaked. 1228 00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:38,830 There you are, Suzanne. 1229 00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:41,670 Sorry I'm all wet. Let's go upstairs, shall we? 1230 00:51:41,700 --> 00:51:43,630 Can I ask you now, Dr Pascoe... 1231 00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:46,000 We've had a look at what's been happening there in the house. 1232 00:51:46,030 --> 00:51:48,270 What, in fact, do you make of what we see? 1233 00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:50,830 Well, poltergeist activity has a pattern... 1234 00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:53,170 A menu if you like, erm... 1235 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,270 First, there are the noises, the sounds and then water. 1236 00:51:56,300 --> 00:52:01,170 And then the third stage is physical phenomenon, moving objects. 1237 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,330 And did you think that in fact what we're seeing there 1238 00:52:03,370 --> 00:52:05,830 is something starting to happen in Foxhill Drive? 1239 00:52:05,870 --> 00:52:07,630 Well, who knows. 1240 00:52:07,630 --> 00:52:09,730 MICHAEL: Well, we shall all find out. No doubt. 1241 00:52:09,770 --> 00:52:11,300 Things have been happening in our phone rooms. 1242 00:52:11,330 --> 00:52:13,630 We've got another caller on the line now. 1243 00:52:13,630 --> 00:52:15,830 He's Kevin Trip, from Neath. 1244 00:52:15,870 --> 00:52:17,330 Pick up your phone there, please, Doctor, 1245 00:52:17,370 --> 00:52:19,200 let's talk to Kevin. 1246 00:52:19,230 --> 00:52:20,630 -Hello, Kevin. -KEVIN: Hello. 1247 00:52:20,670 --> 00:52:22,330 MICHAEL: Yeah, hello. KEVIN: Hello. 1248 00:52:22,370 --> 00:52:24,070 MICHAEL: Do you have a story for us? 1249 00:52:24,100 --> 00:52:25,900 KEVIN: Yeah, can you hear me? 1250 00:52:25,930 --> 00:52:27,670 Yes, yes. I can hear you fine. 1251 00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:30,630 KEVIN: Yeah, I was just sitting here and stuff, er... 1252 00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:32,100 You ain't gonna believe this, I'm telling you. 1253 00:52:32,130 --> 00:52:33,870 Well, you try us, Kevin. 1254 00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:36,070 KEVIN: Well, my mates were round to watch the videos 1255 00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:39,730 and we put on the programmes about ten minutes ago. 1256 00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:41,770 Erm, I had this sandwich, 1257 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,730 cheese and pickle sandwich it was. 1258 00:52:43,770 --> 00:52:46,770 -Oh, yes. -KEVIN: And it frightened me to buggery, it did. 1259 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:51,330 I was minding my own business and this dirty grey plate sitting on the arm of my chair 1260 00:52:51,370 --> 00:52:53,230 -just dived off. -MICHAEL: Sure, Kevin. 1261 00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:55,270 None of us nowhere near it or nothing, mind. 1262 00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:58,700 It just leapt off with a mind of its bloody own, it did. 1263 00:52:58,730 --> 00:53:02,200 Kevin, erm... How close were you to the plate? 1264 00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:03,770 KEVIN: Miles away. 1265 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:08,100 My mates, er, they went white, they went. 1266 00:53:08,130 --> 00:53:12,230 Yes, yes. All right, Kevin, I think I get the picture, certainly. 1267 00:53:12,270 --> 00:53:15,130 Thank you very much, indeed for calling. 1268 00:53:15,170 --> 00:53:17,970 I suppose in fact we should have been prepared for that. 1269 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,200 I mean, it's Halloween night, home brew time and all that. 1270 00:53:21,230 --> 00:53:24,330 I can see you're not as sceptical as I am, Doctor, that's all right. 1271 00:53:24,370 --> 00:53:26,270 But really, serious calls, please. 1272 00:53:26,300 --> 00:53:28,030 The lines are still open 1273 00:53:28,070 --> 00:53:30,330 and we've got time for just one other call, I think. 1274 00:53:31,170 --> 00:53:33,370 No, in fact, we haven't. 1275 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,230 I'm sorry, apparently we've got to go straight back to Foxhill Drive, where... 1276 00:53:36,270 --> 00:53:37,970 Things are happening, so... 1277 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,400 ...from here wasn't it? Did you hear? 1278 00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:40,670 Yes, this way. 1279 00:53:41,870 --> 00:53:43,200 Are you picking this up too? 1280 00:53:43,230 --> 00:53:45,230 Just put the light on. 1281 00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:47,800 (BREATHING HEAVILY) You're going to have to be... Get it out here. 1282 00:53:48,670 --> 00:53:49,870 MIKE A: Move the bed. 1283 00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:51,070 SARAH: I'll get that. 1284 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,230 Are you all right? 1285 00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:57,170 Listen, I'll crawl down there, all right? 1286 00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:58,630 (SCRATCHING NOISES) 1287 00:53:58,670 --> 00:54:00,400 Some scratching down here. 1288 00:54:00,430 --> 00:54:01,630 (SCRATCHING STOPS) 1289 00:54:04,370 --> 00:54:05,930 (MUFFLED FOOTSTEPS) 1290 00:54:06,930 --> 00:54:08,000 It's moved. 1291 00:54:10,770 --> 00:54:12,830 MIKE A: It's in the wardrobe. 1292 00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:14,070 Let's just get this out of the way. 1293 00:54:17,130 --> 00:54:18,300 Can you hear this? 1294 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,300 -I can't get it open. -(BANGING) 1295 00:54:21,330 --> 00:54:23,970 (KIDS SHOUTING INDISTINCTLY) 1296 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,170 We can hear him in the kitchen! 1297 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,630 (ALL YELLING SIMULTANEOUSLY) 1298 00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:29,000 You just go back to bed. 1299 00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:30,270 (BANGING) 1300 00:54:30,300 --> 00:54:33,070 Back into bed. It's downstairs. Come on. 1301 00:54:33,100 --> 00:54:34,630 (BANGING) 1302 00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:41,630 It stopped. I can't hear anything now. 1303 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:44,870 What are these? 1304 00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:47,170 (PANTING) 1305 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,030 It's all kids' pictures. They weren't here before. 1306 00:54:55,070 --> 00:54:57,100 -(CAT MEOWS) -(EXCLAIMS) 1307 00:54:57,130 --> 00:54:58,870 (BREATHING HEAVILY) 1308 00:54:58,900 --> 00:55:00,630 I didn't know they had a cat. 1309 00:55:00,630 --> 00:55:01,670 Did you? 1310 00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:07,130 -I don't know what to do. Should we go back upstairs... -MIKE A: Shh! 1311 00:55:07,170 --> 00:55:08,170 Shh! 1312 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,870 (LOUD BANGING) 1313 00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:23,330 Upstairs. Children. Come on. 1314 00:55:23,370 --> 00:55:25,630 MICHAEL: Er, Sarah, stay where you are, please. 1315 00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:27,800 Sarah, stay there. Please, don't go upstairs. 1316 00:55:27,830 --> 00:55:30,070 Why? 1317 00:55:30,100 --> 00:55:31,400 MICHAEL: Because we hear that Suzanne's got out of bed but she's not yet... 1318 00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:32,930 Stay here? I don't know why. 1319 00:55:32,970 --> 00:55:35,000 MICHAEL: She's not appeared on the landing. 1320 00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:37,170 SARAH: Suzanne. Where... Where is she? 1321 00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:40,170 (BANGING CONTINUES) 1322 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,030 DR PASCOE: It could be a piece of its usual misdirection. I just... 1323 00:55:42,070 --> 00:55:43,230 Trust me, Sarah. 1324 00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:44,300 Stay there. 1325 00:55:44,330 --> 00:55:45,330 (BANGING CONTINUES) 1326 00:55:48,900 --> 00:55:50,370 Suzanne must still be in the bedroom. 1327 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,130 MICHAEL: But where? 1328 00:55:52,170 --> 00:55:55,700 DR PASCOE: Perhaps out of camera range, right in the corner of the room. 1329 00:55:55,730 --> 00:55:57,330 Can we cut to the wall camera? 1330 00:55:57,370 --> 00:56:01,000 No, sorry. Sorry, the landing camera. 1331 00:56:01,030 --> 00:56:03,000 No, the landing on the door. 1332 00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:05,630 -(BANGING CONTINUES) -The other landing. That's it, and zoom in. 1333 00:56:06,300 --> 00:56:07,730 Can we pan? 1334 00:56:07,770 --> 00:56:09,030 Can we pan left? 1335 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,000 And down. 1336 00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:14,130 (BANGING CONTINUES) 1337 00:56:14,170 --> 00:56:15,170 MICHAEL: Okay. 1338 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,630 -(SCREAMING) -SARAH: Kimmy! 1339 00:56:20,900 --> 00:56:21,900 Come on. 1340 00:56:24,370 --> 00:56:25,800 Kimmy. 1341 00:56:25,830 --> 00:56:28,130 Suzanne, are you okay? 1342 00:56:28,170 --> 00:56:29,730 Are you all right? Come on. 1343 00:56:29,770 --> 00:56:31,300 -It wasn't me. -It doesn't matter. 1344 00:56:31,330 --> 00:56:33,300 -It wasn't me! -It doesn't matter! 1345 00:56:40,370 --> 00:56:42,030 MICHAEL: Oh, that's, that's quite extraordinary. 1346 00:56:42,070 --> 00:56:44,370 We set out to catch a ghost and... 1347 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,830 And sadly, very sadly, what we witnessed was a remarkable 1348 00:56:47,870 --> 00:56:49,330 exposure of a hoax. 1349 00:56:49,370 --> 00:56:50,630 Let's not be too hasty. 1350 00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:52,670 Oh, come on, Doctor. Please, 1351 00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:53,970 -we've surely got to accept we saw it there. -DR PASCOE: No, I don't. 1352 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,030 Look, this is an established pan. 1353 00:56:56,070 --> 00:56:58,100 Genuine phenomena followed by the fakery stage 1354 00:56:58,130 --> 00:57:00,130 when the children feel obliged to come up with the goods. 1355 00:57:00,170 --> 00:57:01,400 Doctor, really? 1356 00:57:01,430 --> 00:57:03,770 I'm sorry, because... 1357 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,800 Well, I mean, after eight months of commitment 1358 00:57:05,830 --> 00:57:07,700 and connected work like you've been through, 1359 00:57:07,730 --> 00:57:09,830 I can understand you feel upset because you've been duped. 1360 00:57:09,870 --> 00:57:12,300 I'd be the first to admit it if it was absolutely sure I had been duped. 1361 00:57:12,330 --> 00:57:13,630 Oh, Doctor, really... 1362 00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:14,830 Please don't be simplistic. 1363 00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:16,400 This is one incident amongst many. 1364 00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:17,800 Many dozens. 1365 00:57:17,830 --> 00:57:19,300 I was there. I've seen them. 1366 00:57:19,330 --> 00:57:21,300 I've seen inexplicable things. 1367 00:57:21,330 --> 00:57:23,670 One-hundred percent, no question. 1368 00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:24,700 And this? 1369 00:57:26,270 --> 00:57:28,330 Let's not get sidetracked, please. 1370 00:57:28,370 --> 00:57:30,730 Let... Let's not lose the scent. 1371 00:57:32,270 --> 00:57:34,970 Maybe there's a kind of... 1372 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,300 Ritualistic reason, it's like sympathetic magic. 1373 00:57:38,330 --> 00:57:39,770 Acting out what they want to happen. 1374 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:40,970 The invoking process 1375 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,800 that proceeds the genuine appearance. 1376 00:57:42,830 --> 00:57:45,070 Doctor, before we get too involved in that kind of jargon, 1377 00:57:45,100 --> 00:57:47,400 let's see what Suzanne has to say about this. 1378 00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:50,230 She might... Sarah, is Suzanne able to speak to us? 1379 00:57:50,270 --> 00:57:52,170 Suzanne needs a glass of water right now. 1380 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:54,930 DR PASCOE: Can I talk to her? 1381 00:57:54,970 --> 00:57:56,630 MICHAEL: Well, I think I'd like to talk to her first of all 1382 00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:57,670 if you don't mind. 1383 00:57:57,700 --> 00:57:59,000 Where's my mum? 1384 00:57:59,030 --> 00:58:00,630 MICHAEL: Suzanne, I'd like to talk to you. 1385 00:58:00,670 --> 00:58:03,300 Did you put the writing in your schoolbook? 1386 00:58:03,330 --> 00:58:05,330 SUZANNE: (TEARFULLY) I don't want to talk about it. 1387 00:58:05,370 --> 00:58:07,630 MICHAEL: What about the noises in the wall? 1388 00:58:07,630 --> 00:58:09,630 SUZANNE: I don't want to talk about it! 1389 00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:12,100 MICHAEL: What about the scratches on your face, Suzanne? 1390 00:58:13,900 --> 00:58:16,330 -(SOBS) Mum. -It's all right, child. Your mum's here. 1391 00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:18,000 Doesn't matter. Can you look at me? 1392 00:58:18,030 --> 00:58:20,130 DR PASCOE: Why, Suzie? You can tell me. 1393 00:58:20,170 --> 00:58:22,100 SUZANNE: To show them. 1394 00:58:22,130 --> 00:58:24,670 DR PASCOE: Well, you didn't have to show them. Not like this. 1395 00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:26,630 Hmm? Why? 1396 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,770 Tell them you don't tell lies, Suzie. 1397 00:58:34,730 --> 00:58:36,100 It's all a mistake. 1398 00:58:36,130 --> 00:58:37,830 She doesn't know what... She doesn't know anything. 1399 00:58:37,870 --> 00:58:38,930 Do you, love? 1400 00:58:38,970 --> 00:58:40,770 I thought you'd leave us. 1401 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,000 DR PASCOE: You thought I'd leave you? 1402 00:58:42,030 --> 00:58:44,630 All we were, were noises to you. 1403 00:58:44,670 --> 00:58:46,300 DR PASCOE: And you lied to make us stay? 1404 00:58:46,330 --> 00:58:47,630 Sometimes. 1405 00:58:47,630 --> 00:58:49,000 MICHAEL: Only sometimes? 1406 00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:50,830 It was what you wanted, wasn't it? 1407 00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:53,100 We just gave you what you wanted! 1408 00:58:53,130 --> 00:58:54,270 KIM: Stop it! 1409 00:58:56,030 --> 00:58:57,800 MICHAEL: Mrs Early, you've heard your daughter. 1410 00:58:57,830 --> 00:59:00,330 She's admitted the entire thing was a deliberate fraud. 1411 00:59:00,370 --> 00:59:02,900 No, I'm sorry, I don't accept that. 1412 00:59:02,930 --> 00:59:05,900 Dr Pascoe has seen in her things, same as me. 1413 00:59:05,930 --> 00:59:07,970 -You can't just... -MICHAEL: But... 1414 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,300 Well, she's afraid, she's frightened. 1415 00:59:10,330 --> 00:59:13,770 -She doesn't know anything. -MICHAEL: But, Suzanne herself explained, Mrs Early. 1416 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,830 My family are telling the truth. 1417 00:59:15,870 --> 00:59:17,330 We're all telling the truth. 1418 00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,630 Well, fortunately, after this turn of events, 1419 00:59:32,670 --> 00:59:35,330 we're able to return to Dr Emilio Sylvestri. 1420 00:59:35,370 --> 00:59:38,800 Dr Sylvestri, who's in New York, joins us again now. 1421 00:59:38,830 --> 00:59:41,730 Dr Sylvestri, I imagine you're about to say, 1422 00:59:41,770 --> 00:59:42,870 "I told you so." 1423 00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:45,300 Well... (CHUCKLES) 1424 00:59:45,330 --> 00:59:47,300 I... I don't get any vicarious thrill 1425 00:59:47,330 --> 00:59:49,630 out of seeing parapsychology crucified in public. 1426 00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:51,270 But it does... 1427 00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:52,770 Validate my hypothesis. 1428 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,130 Hmm, what hypothesis? 1429 00:59:55,170 --> 00:59:57,170 These are disturbed attention-seekers... 1430 00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:58,770 Oh, rubbish. 1431 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,170 We... (SNICKERS). You played into their hands. 1432 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,230 Primetime TV Alice in Wonderland, couldn't take it any more, they... 1433 01:00:04,270 --> 01:00:07,600 -End of illusion... -This is not the end, please believe me. 1434 01:00:07,630 --> 01:00:11,670 I almost... I almost feel, whatever is in there, it's 1435 01:00:11,700 --> 01:00:13,870 deliberately muddying the waters. 1436 01:00:13,900 --> 01:00:17,100 Well, Dr Pascoe, thank you. And Dr Sylvestri, thank you, too, for joining us 1437 01:00:17,130 --> 01:00:19,870 from New York. Thank you and... And good night to you. 1438 01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:22,000 A lot of activity in our phone room. 1439 01:00:22,030 --> 01:00:25,930 You won't be amazed to hear that after what we've just seen in Foxhill Drive. 1440 01:00:25,970 --> 01:00:28,400 Er, Mike Smith, what's happening? What's the story? 1441 01:00:28,430 --> 01:00:30,730 (HESITATINGLY) Well, the strange thing is 1442 01:00:30,770 --> 01:00:34,100 that we're still getting calls about that shadowy figure, 1443 01:00:34,130 --> 01:00:35,930 that was seen in the haunted bedroom 1444 01:00:35,970 --> 01:00:38,030 or people think they've seen in the haunted bedroom. Now... 1445 01:00:38,070 --> 01:00:40,930 What's really weird is that these are all tallying with the description. 1446 01:00:40,970 --> 01:00:42,730 These are all different phone calls. 1447 01:00:42,770 --> 01:00:44,870 They're, generally, all saying that it's an old man 1448 01:00:44,900 --> 01:00:46,070 or a woman. 1449 01:00:46,100 --> 01:00:48,930 Er, bald with a skull-like head, 1450 01:00:48,970 --> 01:00:50,200 dark eyes, 1451 01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:52,800 or some are just saying, "Holes for eyes." 1452 01:00:52,830 --> 01:00:57,030 Wearing a black robe or a dress which is buttoned up to the neck. 1453 01:00:57,070 --> 01:00:58,870 So, if anybody's seen this gentleman tonight... 1454 01:00:58,900 --> 01:01:01,930 Michael, I'm sorry to interrupt, but this is important. 1455 01:01:01,970 --> 01:01:04,870 Er, can somebody in the gallery, tell me if it's possible 1456 01:01:04,900 --> 01:01:07,630 to access the tape interviews I've shot at the university, please. 1457 01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:09,730 I'm sure, I'm sure it will be, yes, erm... 1458 01:01:09,770 --> 01:01:11,870 In view of what's happened there's a sequence I need to find, urgently. 1459 01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:13,970 Yeah, they're saying they can... They can get to it 1460 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,030 sometime further on the programme. 1461 01:01:16,070 --> 01:01:17,970 Yes, okay. We can do that for you. 1462 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,630 Erm, in the meantime we'll have another Ghostwatch story. 1463 01:01:21,630 --> 01:01:24,730 And then after that, I'd like to hear your opinion 1464 01:01:24,770 --> 01:01:28,100 on what we saw, a moment ago, in Foxhill Drive. 1465 01:01:28,130 --> 01:01:30,000 Is all of this, all of this, a hoax 1466 01:01:30,030 --> 01:01:32,200 or as Dr Pascoe believes, 1467 01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:35,400 are things just about beginning to happen? 1468 01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:39,400 Well, call me after this true ghost story, coming up now. 1469 01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:41,000 When I was about eleven or twelve, 1470 01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:44,200 we moved to this large, old Devonshire house. 1471 01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:48,130 And part of the house is a lot older than the other part of the house. 1472 01:01:48,170 --> 01:01:50,330 And it had a nasty feeling. 1473 01:01:50,370 --> 01:01:51,730 It was cold. 1474 01:01:51,770 --> 01:01:53,670 Erm, things... 1475 01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:58,630 Doors opened, things fell off the wall, ornaments shattered, 1476 01:01:58,630 --> 01:02:00,800 and generally, it didn't have a nice feeling. 1477 01:02:00,830 --> 01:02:03,170 Erm, my bedroom was in part of that house. 1478 01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:07,300 Part of that, old part of the house. And, er... 1479 01:02:07,330 --> 01:02:10,230 Shadows would move at the end of my bed. 1480 01:02:10,270 --> 01:02:12,370 So, I asked for a night light. 1481 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,870 I asked a grown-up, I think it was my grandmother. 1482 01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:18,100 Erm... Which made the situation worse in a way, because... 1483 01:02:18,130 --> 01:02:19,700 (AUDIO SLOWING DOWN) 1484 01:02:21,100 --> 01:02:23,270 -(TAPE REWINDING) -...in a way. 1485 01:02:23,300 --> 01:02:26,230 Wait, wait. Can we just clear the set? (SNICKERS) 1486 01:02:26,270 --> 01:02:29,370 Yeah, well something's gone very wrong with that ghost story, 1487 01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,270 probably a poltergeist. What do you think, Dr Pascoe? 1488 01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:35,730 Anyway, erm, we'll try to get back to that, er... 1489 01:02:35,770 --> 01:02:39,330 Before the end of the programme. Er, meanwhile, what do we do? 1490 01:02:39,370 --> 01:02:41,670 We go back to your calls, that's what we'll do. 1491 01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:43,270 Erm, Mike Smith? 1492 01:02:43,300 --> 01:02:45,730 (HESITATING) Erm, the only one I got for you at the moment, 1493 01:02:45,770 --> 01:02:47,970 is this woman, try... Try her. 1494 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,070 She wants to remain anonymous. 1495 01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:52,700 Wants to take part in the programme, but insists on anonymity. Try her. 1496 01:02:52,730 --> 01:02:54,270 Okay, Mike, thanks. Doctor, pick the phone up. 1497 01:02:55,730 --> 01:02:57,630 -Hello? -WOMAN: (ON PHONE) Hello. 1498 01:02:57,630 --> 01:02:59,100 -Yes. -WOMAN: Hello, am I on? 1499 01:02:59,130 --> 01:03:02,870 Yes, You're, er... You're on BBC One's Ghostwatch. 1500 01:03:02,900 --> 01:03:04,230 Now, what do you want to tell me about? 1501 01:03:05,970 --> 01:03:09,070 WOMAN: (SIGHS) We've got this big glass table. 1502 01:03:09,100 --> 01:03:13,330 My husband just rested one finger on it and it exploded. 1503 01:03:13,370 --> 01:03:15,130 Glass everywhere, 1504 01:03:15,170 --> 01:03:17,630 his face and hands were cut. 1505 01:03:17,630 --> 01:03:19,130 There's blood on the wallpaper. 1506 01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:22,770 The ambulance is just gone. 1507 01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,270 My children are frightened. Why are you doing this? 1508 01:03:25,300 --> 01:03:28,630 Now look, I am sure your children are in shock. Er... 1509 01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:31,330 Also want to say, I think, it's high time, probably, 1510 01:03:31,370 --> 01:03:32,930 that your kids are in bed. 1511 01:03:32,970 --> 01:03:34,930 I mean, it is past the 9:00 watershed, isn't it? 1512 01:03:34,970 --> 01:03:37,030 WOMAN: That's it. That's just it. 1513 01:03:37,070 --> 01:03:38,630 They won't go to bed. 1514 01:03:38,670 --> 01:03:41,100 I can't drag them away from the TV. 1515 01:03:41,130 --> 01:03:42,700 I tell them to look at what time it is 1516 01:03:42,730 --> 01:03:45,270 but the clock still shows 9:30. 1517 01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:46,970 Excuse me, have all your clocks stopped? 1518 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,370 WOMAN: I don't know what's going on. 1519 01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,830 They won't take their eyes, off the set. 1520 01:03:51,870 --> 01:03:54,070 (CRYING) And there's blood... 1521 01:03:54,100 --> 01:03:56,170 There's blood all over the wallpaper. 1522 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,230 Look, love, it's Halloween. They're overexcited. 1523 01:03:59,270 --> 01:04:01,870 Er, you've had a terrible accident. Now... 1524 01:04:01,900 --> 01:04:06,700 Now, please, would you switch off the TV and please, send your kids to bed. 1525 01:04:06,730 --> 01:04:08,900 Thanks for calling us, but we've got to move on. Thank you, love. 1526 01:04:08,930 --> 01:04:10,370 No, don't let her... 1527 01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,000 I'm sorry, she's gone. 1528 01:04:12,030 --> 01:04:14,730 Erm, listen, please... 1529 01:04:14,770 --> 01:04:16,630 If you're still there. 1530 01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:19,730 Don't touch anything, and if you can, take a photograph. 1531 01:04:19,770 --> 01:04:21,800 Now, this is very valuable evidence. 1532 01:04:21,830 --> 01:04:23,800 I've got to say to everyone watching. 1533 01:04:23,830 --> 01:04:27,670 Please, please, we don't want to give anybody sleepless nights. 1534 01:04:27,700 --> 01:04:29,170 We don't want to start panic. 1535 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,030 Don't let your imaginations run riot. 1536 01:04:31,070 --> 01:04:34,170 These things we're talking about are very, very rare, indeed. 1537 01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:38,170 And the chance of them happening to you are exceedingly remote. 1538 01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,100 Er, please, believe us. 1539 01:04:40,130 --> 01:04:43,800 Right, now I think that Dr Pascoe, that that tape you wanted, 1540 01:04:43,830 --> 01:04:47,170 that interview you did some months ago with Kim Early, 1541 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,330 I think that's ready now. I think we can go to it. 1542 01:04:49,370 --> 01:04:51,170 It's coming up now. There you are. 1543 01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,630 So, have ever seen him then, Kimmy? 1544 01:04:53,630 --> 01:04:56,000 Pipes? Yeah. 1545 01:04:56,030 --> 01:04:58,270 And what does he look like? Can you describe him to me, then? 1546 01:04:59,830 --> 01:05:02,000 Well, he's really old. 1547 01:05:02,030 --> 01:05:08,200 And this eye's got all blood over his eye and scratch coming out and then... 1548 01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:10,630 -He's bald over his head. -Mmm-hmm. 1549 01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:12,300 And then he's got a nose. 1550 01:05:12,330 --> 01:05:15,630 And in the middle, it's got a scratch all the way down. 1551 01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:18,100 -Hmm. -In there. 1552 01:05:18,130 --> 01:05:20,270 -And he's got a dress on. A dress on. -Does he? 1553 01:05:20,300 --> 01:05:23,630 Yeah. It's really long and it's black. 1554 01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:26,370 -It's got buttons, all the way down. -Hmm. 1555 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,000 -And then lots of petticoats underneath. -DR PASCOE: Can we replay it? 1556 01:05:29,030 --> 01:05:31,800 -MICHAEL: Sure, sure we can. -DR PASCOE: Back to the start of the description. 1557 01:05:31,830 --> 01:05:34,100 All right, can we roll it back, BTL? 1558 01:05:34,130 --> 01:05:35,230 Back to the start of it. 1559 01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:36,330 (TAPE REWINDING) 1560 01:05:36,370 --> 01:05:38,700 -There? -Well, he's really old. 1561 01:05:38,730 --> 01:05:45,370 And this eye's got all blood over his eye and scratch coming out and then... 1562 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,330 -He's bald over his head. -Mmm-hmm. 1563 01:05:47,370 --> 01:05:51,630 Now, do you see what I mean? Kim's description exactly matches 1564 01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:53,630 what Mike's been getting on the phones. 1565 01:05:53,630 --> 01:05:55,000 "Old, man, 1566 01:05:55,030 --> 01:05:58,330 "bald, he's got a skull-like head, dark eyes, 1567 01:05:58,370 --> 01:05:59,870 "wearing a black dress." 1568 01:05:59,900 --> 01:06:01,930 -KIM: It's black. -She says it's black. 1569 01:06:01,970 --> 01:06:04,000 -KIM: All the way down. -Buttoned. 1570 01:06:04,030 --> 01:06:06,930 Well, could they have read the descriptions in a newspaper, perhaps? 1571 01:06:06,970 --> 01:06:09,830 There's been nothing in the newspapers, not containing that description. 1572 01:06:09,870 --> 01:06:12,770 It's not appeared in print one single time, I assure you. 1573 01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,700 Then what are you saying? 1574 01:06:14,730 --> 01:06:16,770 Well, we were drawn to assuming it was Suzanne at the centre of this 1575 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,670 because she's at puberty, but what if she isn't? What if it's Kim? 1576 01:06:20,700 --> 01:06:23,200 -We've been looking at the wrong person. -DR PASCOE: Exactly. 1577 01:06:23,230 --> 01:06:24,830 Fascinating. (CHUCKLES) 1578 01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:26,930 Er, Sarah seems to be trying to get our attention, 1579 01:06:26,970 --> 01:06:29,070 er, quite agitated. Sarah, what is it? 1580 01:06:29,100 --> 01:06:31,630 Thank you. It's Pamela. Listen to this. 1581 01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:36,730 Cats. It's like cats. 1582 01:06:36,770 --> 01:06:39,170 -Can you hear it? -MICHAEL: Where, Pam? 1583 01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,000 It's all... It's all around us. 1584 01:06:42,030 --> 01:06:43,830 Like they're trapped, somewhere. Do you hear it? 1585 01:06:43,870 --> 01:06:45,130 (CAT MEOWING) 1586 01:06:45,170 --> 01:06:46,900 Cats running round up there on the ceiling. 1587 01:06:46,930 --> 01:06:48,170 -MICHAEL: Can you hear anything, Sarah? -Yes. 1588 01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,200 Yeah, I can hear it, now. She's right. 1589 01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:51,970 -KIM: Mum? -PAMELA: What is it, Kimmy? 1590 01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,300 (CATS MEOWING LOUDER) 1591 01:06:53,330 --> 01:06:55,000 KIM: What's wrong with Suzie? 1592 01:06:55,030 --> 01:06:56,670 What do you mean? What's wrong, Kimmy? 1593 01:07:03,070 --> 01:07:04,770 -PAMELA: Suzanne? -(SUZANNE MOANING) 1594 01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,770 SARAH: Suzanne, are you okay? 1595 01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:09,870 PAMELA: It's all right, love. Don't get upset, love. Your mum's here. 1596 01:07:09,900 --> 01:07:11,770 -(CRYING) Oh, dear God. -SARAH: Oh, God! 1597 01:07:14,370 --> 01:07:16,630 SARAH: What do you want us to do? 1598 01:07:16,630 --> 01:07:18,930 -MICHAEL: Sarah, Sarah? Are you all right? -What should we do? (GASPS) 1599 01:07:18,970 --> 01:07:22,330 -Get away! Get away from... -No Mum, they have to stay. They have to see everything. 1600 01:07:22,370 --> 01:07:25,200 DR PASCOE: Sarah, it's all right. Don't worry. 1601 01:07:25,230 --> 01:07:27,000 It's some kind off allergenic psychosomatic reaction. 1602 01:07:27,030 --> 01:07:28,800 MICHAEL: Could be self-mutilation. 1603 01:07:28,830 --> 01:07:30,630 She could've done it with her own fingernails, you know? 1604 01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:32,730 SARAH: They say that she used her own fingernails for this. 1605 01:07:32,770 --> 01:07:34,270 "Fingernails"? 1606 01:07:34,300 --> 01:07:35,800 What flaming fingernails? 1607 01:07:35,830 --> 01:07:37,930 (KIM CRIES OUT) 1608 01:07:37,970 --> 01:07:40,030 Now, what do you want us to do? 1609 01:07:40,070 --> 01:07:42,670 DR PASCOE: Sarah, don't worry. I've seen it before. It will subside. 1610 01:07:42,700 --> 01:07:44,370 Feel her temperature. 1611 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,630 -SARAH: She's burning up. -Get off me. Don't touch me. 1612 01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:49,030 SARAH: It's like a meat locker in here. It's so cold. 1613 01:07:49,070 --> 01:07:50,800 Well, we can't move her, because she is in agony 1614 01:07:50,830 --> 01:07:52,070 and she won't even let me touch her. 1615 01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:53,670 SARAH: What do you want me to do. 1616 01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:56,330 PAMELA: Yeah, get a flannel and get some water. 1617 01:07:56,370 --> 01:07:58,230 SARAH: Yeah, come on. We'll get out of here, come on. 1618 01:08:03,770 --> 01:08:05,330 -Sorry, I didn't mean to drag you out. -CHRIS: It's okay. 1619 01:08:05,370 --> 01:08:06,870 I just think they need a bit of time, here. 1620 01:08:09,900 --> 01:08:11,200 -(GHOST SIGHS HEAVILY) -SARAH: Oh, God! 1621 01:08:11,230 --> 01:08:12,370 -CHRIS: What is it? -(GASPING) 1622 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:13,870 SARAH: Behind the door. 1623 01:08:13,900 --> 01:08:15,830 SARAH: I... 1624 01:08:15,870 --> 01:08:19,400 I saw somebody standing behind the door. 1625 01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:20,630 CHRIS: Nobody there now. 1626 01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:22,200 Sorry. 1627 01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:28,700 -Pam, here we are. -KIM: Pipes says she's got to be punished. She's a bad girl. 1628 01:08:28,730 --> 01:08:30,030 It's all right. Just be quiet. 1629 01:08:32,270 --> 01:08:35,070 MIKE: Oh, good God. Sarah, should we send someone in, now? 1630 01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,630 SARAH: No, God knows how she'd react. 1631 01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:41,030 -Just let... Let's, let everything settle down now. -(SUZANNE MUMBLING) 1632 01:08:41,070 --> 01:08:45,270 -What, darling? -We've got to stay. Pipes says we've got to stay. 1633 01:08:45,300 --> 01:08:47,700 Okay, okay. 1634 01:08:47,730 --> 01:08:49,370 I should tell you, if you've joined 1635 01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:52,270 to see the next programme that in fact we're staying 1636 01:08:52,300 --> 01:08:56,100 with what we have here from Foxhill Drive, because the events are... 1637 01:08:56,130 --> 01:08:59,200 Are so remarkable and dramatic that we will be staying with them 1638 01:08:59,230 --> 01:09:01,030 for as long as we have to. 1639 01:09:03,900 --> 01:09:05,370 SARAH: Is it worse than it was before? 1640 01:09:09,230 --> 01:09:10,630 MICHAEL: Doctor, what about... 1641 01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:12,730 Your theory that... 1642 01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,270 In fact, Kimmy was the focus 1643 01:09:16,300 --> 01:09:18,870 for the poltergeist activity. 1644 01:09:18,900 --> 01:09:20,630 What does this mean, now? 1645 01:09:23,830 --> 01:09:25,100 DR PASCOE: Well, maybe they're both involved. 1646 01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:29,230 I mean, maybe it's like a tandem effect. 1647 01:09:29,270 --> 01:09:34,670 Kim's creating the energy and Suzanne's directing the violence in on herself. 1648 01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,000 First, Suzanne, 1649 01:09:37,930 --> 01:09:39,100 then Kimmy, 1650 01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:40,800 then this. 1651 01:09:41,630 --> 01:09:42,800 You don't know, do you? 1652 01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:46,170 No, I don't. 1653 01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,300 SARAH: You know what, darling... 1654 01:09:48,330 --> 01:09:50,070 MIKE: I've got to come in here. We've got a... 1655 01:09:50,100 --> 01:09:52,000 A very important phone call which I think 1656 01:09:52,030 --> 01:09:53,770 you both should take right now. 1657 01:09:54,170 --> 01:09:55,170 Doctor. 1658 01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:58,400 Er, hello, who am I talking to? 1659 01:09:58,430 --> 01:10:00,830 WOMAN: (ON PHONE) Oh, hello, my name is Mary Christopher. 1660 01:10:00,870 --> 01:10:03,770 And I just wanted to phone and tell you about this... 1661 01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:05,400 Well... About my mother, really. 1662 01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:08,970 We were Northolt born and bred. 1663 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,800 And, erm, and as children, if we were naughty or couldn't get to sleep, 1664 01:10:12,830 --> 01:10:16,630 our mum used to say, "Mother Seddons will come to get you." 1665 01:10:16,670 --> 01:10:19,130 It used to scare us rigid. 1666 01:10:19,170 --> 01:10:20,900 I don't know why she'd... 1667 01:10:20,930 --> 01:10:22,930 Parents do do some awful and daft things, don't they, Mary? 1668 01:10:22,970 --> 01:10:24,270 MARY: Yeah, well, years later, 1669 01:10:24,300 --> 01:10:26,400 I found out that she really did exist. 1670 01:10:26,430 --> 01:10:29,170 And she was a baby farmer, like a child minder. 1671 01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,830 She used to take kids in, but she used to kill them. 1672 01:10:31,870 --> 01:10:34,830 And she'd drown them in the big coppers. 1673 01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:37,000 And why... Why I'm ringing is, 1674 01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:38,830 she used to live in one of the old terraces 1675 01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:41,300 in Foxhill by the railway as it was then, 1676 01:10:41,330 --> 01:10:43,070 and is now, Foxhill Drive, 1677 01:10:43,100 --> 01:10:47,670 and I'm just sure it's where those poor girls live now. 1678 01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:48,970 And really, that's all I have to say. 1679 01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:50,630 I just wanted to make sure you knew. 1680 01:10:50,670 --> 01:10:51,700 Thanks for your call, Mary. 1681 01:10:51,730 --> 01:10:53,700 Thanks very much for calling in. 1682 01:10:53,730 --> 01:10:55,000 Sarah, I wonder... 1683 01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:57,270 Sarah, Sarah, did you hear any of that? 1684 01:10:57,300 --> 01:10:58,330 Sarah, can you hear me? 1685 01:10:58,370 --> 01:10:59,930 Could I talk to Sarah, please? 1686 01:10:59,970 --> 01:11:02,630 Mike, it's all right. I can hear you. I'm fine. 1687 01:11:02,670 --> 01:11:05,170 Erm, Suzanne's feeling a bit better now. 1688 01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,400 But we still don't know how the scratches got on her face. 1689 01:11:08,430 --> 01:11:11,930 But, we feel it's probably best to get the girls out of the house now. 1690 01:11:11,970 --> 01:11:14,100 Er, things are still... 1691 01:11:14,130 --> 01:11:15,400 Feeling quite strange. 1692 01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:17,030 KIM: No, we're not! Get it off! 1693 01:11:17,070 --> 01:11:19,100 I've got to talk to somebody. 1694 01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:22,370 Kimmy? Who? 1695 01:11:24,970 --> 01:11:26,630 Kim, who're you talking to? 1696 01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:29,100 Pipes. 1697 01:11:30,700 --> 01:11:31,700 SARAH: Where's Pipes? 1698 01:11:32,770 --> 01:11:33,770 Here. 1699 01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:36,370 SARAH: What does he look like, Kimmy? 1700 01:11:37,900 --> 01:11:39,900 Like somebody's mum. 1701 01:11:39,930 --> 01:11:41,130 MICHAEL: I'd like both of those children out of that house. 1702 01:11:41,170 --> 01:11:43,000 -PAMELA: Kimmy, it's time to go. -No! 1703 01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:44,630 MICHAEL: I'd like somebody to take care of Suzanne as well. 1704 01:11:44,670 --> 01:11:46,670 Please, let's have the kids out of the house. 1705 01:11:46,700 --> 01:11:47,730 -I want to speak to Pipes. -Leave me alone. 1706 01:11:47,770 --> 01:11:49,000 I'm not a baby! 1707 01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:50,030 KIM: No, you lied, you said you'd stay. 1708 01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:51,270 SARAH: We will stay with you. 1709 01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:53,670 -(LOUD THUDDING) -SARAH: What was that? 1710 01:11:53,700 --> 01:11:54,930 KIM: Where're we going? SARAH: Come on. 1711 01:11:54,970 --> 01:11:56,970 SARAH: Just outside, come on. 1712 01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,300 Downstairs. Just outside. Come on. 1713 01:11:59,330 --> 01:12:02,000 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATION) 1714 01:12:04,270 --> 01:12:05,300 KIM: I don't want to go. 1715 01:12:05,330 --> 01:12:06,630 Pipes says we've got to stay. 1716 01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:08,370 Pipes wants to see everybody. 1717 01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,770 Look, everybody wants to see him. 1718 01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:15,230 MICHAEL: Hopefully, the children are on their way out of the house now. 1719 01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:17,630 And once they are, I suppose that'll be the end 1720 01:12:17,670 --> 01:12:20,900 of our program, the end of our Ghostwatch programme. 1721 01:12:20,930 --> 01:12:23,130 I hope they... They are out shortly. 1722 01:12:23,170 --> 01:12:25,700 Er, as we wait for them to come out, 1723 01:12:25,730 --> 01:12:28,170 we'll go over to our phone-in studio. 1724 01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:29,970 Mike, what's been happening? 1725 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,270 MIKE: Er, well, it's understandably fairly chaotic here. 1726 01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:35,270 Erm, we're getting all sorts of calls. 1727 01:12:35,300 --> 01:12:39,070 In Derby, someone was ringing to say that her clock had stopped. 1728 01:12:39,100 --> 01:12:40,770 MICHAEL: Again, a clock stopping. 1729 01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,930 A Ken and Joyce Shrivener from Telford in Shropshire, 1730 01:12:42,970 --> 01:12:45,030 their radio has gone dead. 1731 01:12:45,070 --> 01:12:47,730 And the microwave oven is pinging repetitively. 1732 01:12:47,770 --> 01:12:49,030 Well, where are they happening? 1733 01:12:49,070 --> 01:12:50,900 I mean, is there a geographical pattern? 1734 01:12:50,930 --> 01:12:53,070 How many of these incidents are there? 1735 01:12:53,100 --> 01:12:55,030 I don't know, I don't know how many of these to take with a pinch of salt. 1736 01:12:55,070 --> 01:12:58,800 Mrs Pinder from Chepstow, her dog won't stop barking. 1737 01:12:58,830 --> 01:13:01,730 Er, in fact, we have loads of instances recorded here, this evening, 1738 01:13:01,770 --> 01:13:03,400 of pets acting up all through the programme. 1739 01:13:03,430 --> 01:13:05,300 Mr Naro from Cheltenham, 1740 01:13:05,330 --> 01:13:07,400 says his son is making glasses break. 1741 01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:11,630 I'm sure we can assume that many, if not all of these calls, are jokes. 1742 01:13:11,670 --> 01:13:13,900 I'm more interested in what's happening at the house. 1743 01:13:13,930 --> 01:13:15,070 Are they all out yet? 1744 01:13:15,100 --> 01:13:17,070 MIKE: No, no, wait, wait, wait. 1745 01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:18,870 We've got one here that, erm... 1746 01:13:18,900 --> 01:13:21,630 Just in the last few minutes, a young lady, very distressed, 1747 01:13:21,630 --> 01:13:23,730 in response to something that we showed earlier on. 1748 01:13:23,770 --> 01:13:26,930 And she's hung up before we'd had a chance to talk to her, so... 1749 01:13:26,970 --> 01:13:29,030 The point is, there's someone here who could take your call now. 1750 01:13:29,070 --> 01:13:30,800 We need to talk to you, could you call back? 1751 01:13:30,830 --> 01:13:32,930 - Can we talk to these people? -Let's get back to Sarah. 1752 01:13:32,970 --> 01:13:35,270 Sarah... Sarah, are you all right? 1753 01:13:37,930 --> 01:13:39,400 Er, I'm s... 1754 01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:41,200 I can hardly hear you. 1755 01:13:41,230 --> 01:13:42,400 (AUDIO MUTES) 1756 01:13:42,430 --> 01:13:44,170 ...you can hear what I'm saying. 1757 01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,200 Erm, Suzanne's a lot quieter now. 1758 01:13:48,270 --> 01:13:49,870 But, er... 1759 01:13:49,900 --> 01:13:51,800 They... They won't move. 1760 01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:53,870 They won't listen to me. 1761 01:13:53,900 --> 01:13:55,330 I think Suzanne's in... 1762 01:13:55,370 --> 01:13:57,370 In some kind of a state of shock. 1763 01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,070 What do I do? I can't leave them. 1764 01:14:01,100 --> 01:14:02,230 (LOUD FEEDBACK) 1765 01:14:02,270 --> 01:14:04,070 Sorry, I've got to take this out. 1766 01:14:04,100 --> 01:14:06,170 -It's a terrible noise. -(LOUD BANGING) 1767 01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:07,270 (BANGING CONTINUES) 1768 01:14:07,300 --> 01:14:09,230 I don't know what's going on. 1769 01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:10,300 Can you hear this? 1770 01:14:10,330 --> 01:14:11,830 Smithy? 1771 01:14:11,870 --> 01:14:13,000 -Michael? -(FEEDBACK CONTINUES) 1772 01:14:13,030 --> 01:14:14,270 Dr Pascoe? 1773 01:14:14,300 --> 01:14:15,830 (BANGING CONTINUES) 1774 01:14:15,870 --> 01:14:18,130 There are incredible noises coming from the walls. 1775 01:14:18,170 --> 01:14:20,670 And from the ceiling. (SCREAMS) 1776 01:14:20,700 --> 01:14:21,700 -Oh. -Jesus. 1777 01:14:22,230 --> 01:14:24,130 Kimmy. Kim! 1778 01:14:24,170 --> 01:14:25,330 -You all right? -Can't you do something? 1779 01:14:25,370 --> 01:14:26,370 (SHRIEKS) 1780 01:14:28,030 --> 01:14:29,900 Suzie. 1781 01:14:29,930 --> 01:14:33,730 (IN DEMONIC VOICE) What big eyes you have. What big lips you have. 1782 01:14:33,770 --> 01:14:35,030 PAMELA: Stop it! 1783 01:14:35,070 --> 01:14:36,930 Stop it, Suzie! 1784 01:14:36,970 --> 01:14:38,630 Suzanne, you're coming with me. 1785 01:14:38,670 --> 01:14:40,000 Suzanne? 1786 01:14:40,030 --> 01:14:41,900 You're coming... Suzanne? 1787 01:14:41,930 --> 01:14:43,630 Listen to me, Suzie. 1788 01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,900 Suzie? Can you hear me? 1789 01:14:47,870 --> 01:14:49,100 Suzanne, do you hear me? 1790 01:14:49,130 --> 01:14:50,630 (IN OWN VOICE) Yes. 1791 01:14:50,670 --> 01:14:52,700 Yes. Get out. 1792 01:14:52,730 --> 01:14:54,630 Get out if you don't want to be here. 1793 01:14:54,670 --> 01:14:55,930 I don't care. 1794 01:14:55,970 --> 01:14:57,200 You just mess things up. 1795 01:14:58,100 --> 01:14:59,870 You mess everything up. 1796 01:15:01,170 --> 01:15:02,300 I hate you. 1797 01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:05,630 SARAH: Kimmy! 1798 01:15:05,670 --> 01:15:07,800 Kimmy, if you can hear me, 1799 01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:09,270 just shout. 1800 01:15:09,300 --> 01:15:12,100 Let me know where you are, so that we can help you. 1801 01:15:13,230 --> 01:15:14,230 Kimmy! 1802 01:15:15,900 --> 01:15:17,870 (PANTING) 1803 01:15:17,900 --> 01:15:18,900 Kim. 1804 01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:21,900 Just say something. 1805 01:15:25,900 --> 01:15:26,900 Kimmy? 1806 01:15:28,970 --> 01:15:29,970 Kimmy! 1807 01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:34,200 Kim? 1808 01:15:39,130 --> 01:15:40,670 (WATER RUNNING) 1809 01:15:47,700 --> 01:15:48,700 It's her bunny. 1810 01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:53,630 The fridge. 1811 01:16:01,730 --> 01:16:04,870 Kimmy. Come on, darling. 1812 01:16:04,900 --> 01:16:06,800 -Hmm? -Pipes said to do it. 1813 01:16:06,830 --> 01:16:09,630 -Why? -Pipes says he's a bad, bad bunny. 1814 01:16:10,300 --> 01:16:12,100 Here are his eyes. 1815 01:16:12,130 --> 01:16:13,630 (CATS SHRIEKING) 1816 01:16:13,670 --> 01:16:15,070 What's that noise? 1817 01:16:15,100 --> 01:16:16,830 (SHRIEKING CONTINUES) 1818 01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:18,830 All right, where is it coming from? 1819 01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:19,930 MICHAEL: I'm looking. 1820 01:16:19,970 --> 01:16:21,700 (RATTLING) 1821 01:16:21,730 --> 01:16:23,230 MICHAEL: This looks like an earthquake. 1822 01:16:24,930 --> 01:16:27,200 (CATS MEWLING) 1823 01:16:28,430 --> 01:16:30,100 -SARAH: Mike... -(MEWLING CONTINUES) 1824 01:16:30,130 --> 01:16:31,730 It's in here. It's in the glory hole. 1825 01:16:31,770 --> 01:16:33,630 SARAH: Can you just stay back over there, darling? 1826 01:16:33,630 --> 01:16:35,230 Stay... Stay over there. 1827 01:16:38,070 --> 01:16:39,400 It's in there. 1828 01:16:39,430 --> 01:16:40,870 SARAH: Okay. 1829 01:16:40,900 --> 01:16:42,730 (CATS SHRIEKING) 1830 01:16:42,770 --> 01:16:44,170 SARAH: Just pull it aside. 1831 01:16:46,430 --> 01:16:48,030 (SARAH GRUNTS) 1832 01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:49,630 (CATS MEWLING) 1833 01:16:50,970 --> 01:16:53,270 SARAH: Shall I get them out of the kitchen drawer? 1834 01:16:53,300 --> 01:16:54,900 (CATS SHRIEKING) 1835 01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:59,400 (SARAH GRUNTS) 1836 01:16:59,430 --> 01:17:01,100 Take this away. Yeah. 1837 01:17:12,700 --> 01:17:15,130 -(CRASHING) -SARAH: Mike? 1838 01:17:15,170 --> 01:17:17,830 Oh, my God, what's happened? 1839 01:17:17,870 --> 01:17:19,900 Are you okay? Look. 1840 01:17:19,930 --> 01:17:22,630 Chris, stay there. I'm gonna go and get help, all right? 1841 01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:23,930 -CHRIS: Okay. -Just stay there with him. 1842 01:17:23,970 --> 01:17:25,100 (SUZANNE SCREAMING) 1843 01:17:25,130 --> 01:17:26,730 Suzanne... 1844 01:17:26,770 --> 01:17:27,900 SUZANNE: He's touching me. 1845 01:17:27,930 --> 01:17:29,670 Suzanne? 1846 01:17:29,700 --> 01:17:31,670 SUZANNE: He's hurting me. 1847 01:17:31,700 --> 01:17:33,330 He's hurting me. 1848 01:17:33,370 --> 01:17:36,270 Get off me! Get away! Get off me! 1849 01:17:36,970 --> 01:17:39,100 No! Go away! 1850 01:17:39,130 --> 01:17:40,730 Mum, help me! 1851 01:17:40,770 --> 01:17:43,170 Don't leave me, Mum! (SCREAMS) 1852 01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,030 MIKE: Have we... Have we lost the link completely? 1853 01:17:49,230 --> 01:17:50,370 MICHAEL: No, there's nothing. 1854 01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,170 Hang on, yeah, we're on. 1855 01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,830 MICHAEL: Please tell him. We've honestly lost the link? 1856 01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:57,030 Well, the red light's on. We are definitely on. 1857 01:17:57,070 --> 01:17:59,370 -Sorry, there seems to be a bit of a... -Okay, we can't get it back. 1858 01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:01,730 Bit of a bold, in TV speak, I think we can say. 1859 01:18:01,770 --> 01:18:04,230 MIKE: You must be able to get it back somehow. 1860 01:18:04,270 --> 01:18:05,900 MICHAEL: Er, we're finding out. 1861 01:18:05,930 --> 01:18:09,270 Well, nothing to report so far from the house. 1862 01:18:09,300 --> 01:18:12,070 -Eh... -It all seems very quiet and peaceful. 1863 01:18:12,100 --> 01:18:14,000 To tell you the truth, I'm not really bothered. 1864 01:18:14,030 --> 01:18:16,030 I didn't really want the scoop on the Headless Horseman. 1865 01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:17,930 I mean, like, where do you put your microphone? 1866 01:18:17,970 --> 01:18:20,170 (LAUGHING) 1867 01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:23,070 MICHAEL: Is somebody speaking to them? What's everybody doing up there? 1868 01:18:23,100 --> 01:18:25,400 You're following me around, kids, aren't you? 1869 01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:28,200 I think we're off again now. 1870 01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:34,700 God. I wish someone would've said we were on then. 1871 01:18:34,730 --> 01:18:37,270 You know, I'm shouting away and... 1872 01:18:39,070 --> 01:18:40,770 Only at the BBC, loves. 1873 01:18:42,930 --> 01:18:44,830 -DR PASCOE: Er, I think... -What's going on then? 1874 01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:47,370 DR PASCOE: Okay, so somehow... MICHAEL: Just a minute. Sorry. 1875 01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:49,930 MICHAEL: We're back. Back in Foxhill Drive. 1876 01:18:49,970 --> 01:18:53,270 -Oh, fantastic. -DR PASCOE: God... 1877 01:18:53,300 --> 01:18:55,700 MICHAEL: Still no sound, but it looks peaceful enough, doesn't it? 1878 01:18:55,730 --> 01:18:57,800 DR PASCOE: Yes, it does. 1879 01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:59,330 MICHAEL: Where's the soundman? 1880 01:18:59,370 --> 01:19:01,630 I assume they've got him out, actually. Obviously. 1881 01:19:01,670 --> 01:19:03,400 And back to... Back to normal. 1882 01:19:03,430 --> 01:19:05,300 They look happy. 1883 01:19:05,330 --> 01:19:07,630 Mike Smith's right. He breathes a sigh of relief, no doubt. 1884 01:19:07,670 --> 01:19:10,330 (STAMMERS) Yeah... No, I'm delighted... I... 1885 01:19:10,370 --> 01:19:14,130 I was ready to, erm... I don't know... 1886 01:19:14,170 --> 01:19:17,300 Oh, panic over, hopefully. 1887 01:19:19,730 --> 01:19:22,170 Can we see the rest of the house? 1888 01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:25,070 I'm sure we can. I'd like to talk to Sarah as well. 1889 01:19:25,100 --> 01:19:29,000 While we're working on trying to talk to Sarah again, 1890 01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:32,000 perhaps there's time to take one of those many phone calls 1891 01:19:32,030 --> 01:19:34,970 that are stacking up. Mike? 1892 01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,100 Yeah, I'll be delighted to. Who is the next caller? 1893 01:19:38,130 --> 01:19:41,700 Talk to him... 1894 01:19:41,730 --> 01:19:45,130 -Hello. Your name is? -MAN: (OVER PHONE) I don't want to give me name. 1895 01:19:45,170 --> 01:19:48,600 But I think I have some information for you about the history of the house. 1896 01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:50,070 Well, what do you know about it? 1897 01:19:50,100 --> 01:19:51,870 Well, we've been into all that. We've got the, er, 1898 01:19:51,900 --> 01:19:54,170 the deeds and searches going back to the year it was built. 1899 01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,900 And the history of the site as far the Doomsday Book, 1900 01:19:56,930 --> 01:19:58,800 and the, erm, the lay lines. 1901 01:19:58,830 --> 01:20:01,170 MAN: Do you know Mr and Mrs Sellers? 1902 01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:02,800 Yes, they're on our list of tenants. 1903 01:20:02,830 --> 01:20:05,330 They lived there in the '60s I think. 1904 01:20:05,370 --> 01:20:07,230 MAN: Did you know they sublet a room? 1905 01:20:09,870 --> 01:20:11,870 No, I didn't... I didn't know that. 1906 01:20:11,900 --> 01:20:14,700 MAN: Being illegal, it wouldn't be on the official records. 1907 01:20:14,730 --> 01:20:17,900 The lodger was their nephew, Raymond Tunstall. 1908 01:20:17,930 --> 01:20:20,630 How do you know him? And why are you calling, sir? 1909 01:20:20,670 --> 01:20:22,170 MAN: I worked as his social worker 1910 01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,830 when he came out of psychiatric hospital. 1911 01:20:24,870 --> 01:20:27,670 He had several convictions for molestation, 1912 01:20:27,700 --> 01:20:30,600 aggravated abuse, abduction of minors... 1913 01:20:30,630 --> 01:20:33,130 He should never have been let anywhere near any community. 1914 01:20:33,170 --> 01:20:36,230 He was a very disturbed man in my opinion. 1915 01:20:36,270 --> 01:20:37,870 MICHAEL: In what way? 1916 01:20:37,900 --> 01:20:39,770 MAN: From the time he moved to Foxhill Drive, 1917 01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,270 he developed paranoid fantasies. 1918 01:20:42,300 --> 01:20:45,800 He used to tell me there was a woman on the inside of his body, 1919 01:20:45,830 --> 01:20:48,100 taking over his thoughts and actions, 1920 01:20:48,130 --> 01:20:50,800 making him do things he didn't want to do. 1921 01:20:50,830 --> 01:20:53,200 He started to wear dresses. 1922 01:20:53,230 --> 01:20:54,970 The delusions got so bad, 1923 01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,700 there was only one way to escape them. 1924 01:20:57,730 --> 01:20:59,700 He took his own life. 1925 01:20:59,730 --> 01:21:01,100 That's why I called. 1926 01:21:01,830 --> 01:21:02,970 When I heard... 1927 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,970 When I was sitting here watching the TV and... 1928 01:21:09,070 --> 01:21:11,100 Hello? Are you still there? 1929 01:21:11,130 --> 01:21:13,130 If you are, please go on. Hello? 1930 01:21:15,430 --> 01:21:17,930 MAN: Tunstall hanged himself. 1931 01:21:19,100 --> 01:21:20,770 He tied a wire around his neck 1932 01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,070 to a lathe and switched it on. 1933 01:21:23,100 --> 01:21:26,630 He did it where he kept his tools, under the stairs. 1934 01:21:26,670 --> 01:21:29,370 His aunt and uncle were on holiday. 1935 01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,770 It was twelve days before anybody found him. 1936 01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,370 They heard the cats screaming. 1937 01:21:35,370 --> 01:21:37,330 He had about a dozen cats. 1938 01:21:37,370 --> 01:21:39,800 The cats were locked in, of course. 1939 01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:42,000 Of course... 1940 01:21:42,030 --> 01:21:45,130 Twelve days... They got hungry. 1941 01:21:46,670 --> 01:21:48,970 They got to work, on... 1942 01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,630 On his face. 1943 01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:57,170 DR PASCOE: Mister... 1944 01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,030 I'm sure what you say is true. 1945 01:22:03,070 --> 01:22:06,330 We've no reason to disbelieve you. But... (SIGHS) 1946 01:22:06,370 --> 01:22:07,630 In order to substantiate... 1947 01:22:07,670 --> 01:22:08,700 MICHAEL: He's gone. 1948 01:22:08,730 --> 01:22:10,730 Doctor, he's... He's hung up. 1949 01:22:10,770 --> 01:22:13,730 Sorry, but that's how it is. He's gone. 1950 01:22:13,770 --> 01:22:15,170 Oh, dear... 1951 01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:17,270 I think this is the onion skin. 1952 01:22:17,300 --> 01:22:19,230 -What is? -(SIGHS) 1953 01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:21,330 I mean, what happened on that spot, 1954 01:22:21,370 --> 01:22:23,130 how many terrible things have... 1955 01:22:23,170 --> 01:22:24,830 Oh, this has got to be nonsense, Doctor. 1956 01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:26,700 Before Turnstall, before Mother Seddons, way back... 1957 01:22:26,730 --> 01:22:28,070 Maybe into prehistory... 1958 01:22:28,100 --> 01:22:29,770 Oh, nonsense. There'll be no more calls, please. 1959 01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:31,400 Also, our switchboard's jammed. 1960 01:22:31,430 --> 01:22:33,130 We've been inundated with hoaxes... 1961 01:22:33,170 --> 01:22:35,730 The Rosenheim poltergeist affected a telephone exchange, 1962 01:22:35,770 --> 01:22:37,270 rang up endless bills, misdirected calls... 1963 01:22:37,300 --> 01:22:38,630 ...poltergeist or no poltergeist. 1964 01:22:38,670 --> 01:22:40,370 They are seeing it now, for God's sake. 1965 01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,400 Don't close the lines! We need to know what's happening out there! 1966 01:22:42,430 --> 01:22:45,130 You're the expert! What is happening out there? 1967 01:22:45,170 --> 01:22:46,300 I don't know. 1968 01:22:52,770 --> 01:22:54,230 -Jeez... -MICHAEL: What is it? 1969 01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:57,870 Doctor, what's wrong? 1970 01:22:57,900 --> 01:22:59,000 What's the matter? 1971 01:23:02,070 --> 01:23:03,300 It's in the machine. 1972 01:23:03,330 --> 01:23:04,630 MICHAEL: Wh... What? 1973 01:23:04,670 --> 01:23:07,000 -Well, look at the picture. -Where? 1974 01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:08,970 DR PASCOE: On the wall. The picture on the wall. 1975 01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,130 - MICHAEL: What about the picture on the wall? -Well, it's still there. 1976 01:23:11,170 --> 01:23:12,230 It hasn't fallen. 1977 01:23:12,270 --> 01:23:14,200 It's not come off the wall. 1978 01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,370 This picture we're seeing now isn't live. 1979 01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:23,700 This is some earlier footage from earlier in the evening. 1980 01:23:24,430 --> 01:23:26,630 This is just a cover. 1981 01:23:26,670 --> 01:23:28,070 -It's a dupe. -(MICHAEL STAMMERS) 1982 01:23:28,100 --> 01:23:29,200 DR PASCOE: This isn't happening now. 1983 01:23:29,230 --> 01:23:30,700 MICHAEL: But what is happening? 1984 01:23:30,730 --> 01:23:33,370 (SCREAMING) 1985 01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:37,000 (LOUD GROANING) 1986 01:23:38,970 --> 01:23:40,630 It's what you wanted, wasn't it? 1987 01:23:40,670 --> 01:23:42,730 Well, we just gave you what you wanted! 1988 01:23:42,770 --> 01:23:45,230 -DR PASCOE: They don't look very shocked any more. -KIM: Stop it! Stop it! 1989 01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:48,630 MICHAEL: ...o f course the recorder isn't shocked any more. You're being silly. 1990 01:23:48,630 --> 01:23:50,030 (WIND HOWLING) 1991 01:23:50,070 --> 01:23:52,870 There's a wind. Have you ever heard of 1992 01:23:52,900 --> 01:23:54,830 -in a studio? -How many observers do we have tonight? 1993 01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:56,630 -I don't understand. -Jesus, Mike, 1994 01:23:56,630 --> 01:23:58,700 we've created a seance. 1995 01:23:58,730 --> 01:23:59,900 A massive seance. 1996 01:24:02,430 --> 01:24:05,170 MICHAEL: Where are we now? What's this? This... 1997 01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:07,000 (SIREN BLARING) 1998 01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:08,930 This could be live. Is this is happening outside the house? 1999 01:24:08,970 --> 01:24:11,200 -I think it is. -The police! The police! The police! 2000 01:24:11,230 --> 01:24:13,230 (SIREN BLARING) 2001 01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:21,170 MICHAEL: We've got to assume this is live, actually happening. 2002 01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:22,830 -DR PASCOE: Is that Kimmy? Yes. -(DOGS BARKING) 2003 01:24:27,370 --> 01:24:29,230 KIM: (SOBBING) Mum! Mum! 2004 01:24:37,930 --> 01:24:40,670 MICHAEL: We've seen... We've seen Mike come out. 2005 01:24:41,370 --> 01:24:43,330 We've seen Kim. 2006 01:24:43,370 --> 01:24:45,700 We've seen... We've seen Pam. 2007 01:24:46,830 --> 01:24:49,730 So that leaves Suzanne... 2008 01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:52,870 And Sarah. 2009 01:24:52,900 --> 01:24:55,330 Now... Now where are they? Where can they be? 2010 01:24:55,370 --> 01:24:58,100 -Have you seen them? -DR PASCOE: Must be still in there. 2011 01:25:03,100 --> 01:25:04,630 MIKE: What are these shapes? 2012 01:25:09,230 --> 01:25:10,800 MICHAEL: Where are we? 2013 01:25:10,830 --> 01:25:12,670 MIKE: Look, what are we seeing here? 2014 01:25:12,700 --> 01:25:13,630 DR PASCOE: The infrared camera. 2015 01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:18,030 DR PASCOE: Who's that? SARAH: Suzie? 2016 01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:19,830 MIKE: It's Sarah. DR PASCOE: Is it? 2017 01:25:22,030 --> 01:25:23,730 SARAH: Suzie, are you there? 2018 01:25:24,700 --> 01:25:25,970 MICHAEL: Can she hear us? 2019 01:25:28,330 --> 01:25:29,700 SARAH: Chris? 2020 01:25:29,730 --> 01:25:30,800 CHRIS: Down here. 2021 01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:40,030 -Where are you? -CHRIS: Here. 2022 01:25:42,730 --> 01:25:46,100 Oh, my God, you're there. Can you see if you can see her in that room? 2023 01:25:46,130 --> 01:25:47,230 CHRIS: Hold on. 2024 01:26:01,870 --> 01:26:04,830 CHRIS: No, she's not down here. 2025 01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:07,130 I know, Chris. Have you still got your lighter? 2026 01:26:07,170 --> 01:26:08,200 CHRIS: Yeah. 2027 01:26:10,270 --> 01:26:11,770 Got it. There we are. 2028 01:26:12,970 --> 01:26:13,970 Oh... 2029 01:26:19,330 --> 01:26:21,870 (CLATTERING) 2030 01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:30,830 There we go. 2031 01:26:31,900 --> 01:26:33,900 Is it okay for you? 2032 01:26:33,930 --> 01:26:35,000 Is it okay? 2033 01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:35,970 CHRIS: Yeah, hold on. 2034 01:26:36,930 --> 01:26:38,700 SARAH: Mmm-hmm. 2035 01:26:38,730 --> 01:26:40,230 Chris, look. 2036 01:26:40,270 --> 01:26:41,900 (CAMERA WHIRRING) 2037 01:26:41,930 --> 01:26:43,330 SARAH: Can you see them? CHRIS: Yeah. 2038 01:26:43,370 --> 01:26:45,170 -(WIND HOWLING) -(SARAH GASPS) 2039 01:26:46,700 --> 01:26:48,000 SUZANNE: Mum! 2040 01:26:48,030 --> 01:26:49,700 -(ELECTRICITY CRACKLES) -SUZANNE: Mum, help me! 2041 01:26:49,730 --> 01:26:51,800 Help me, Mum, please! 2042 01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:54,200 SARAH: It's okay Suzie, we're here! 2043 01:26:54,230 --> 01:26:55,630 Where are you? 2044 01:26:55,670 --> 01:26:57,400 SUZANNE: Mum, help! 2045 01:26:57,430 --> 01:27:00,030 -Help! -CHRIS: She's downstairs. In the glory hole. 2046 01:27:00,070 --> 01:27:02,070 -(CHRIS GRUNTS) Shit. -SARAH: Chris, are you all right? 2047 01:27:02,100 --> 01:27:03,200 CHRIS: Yeah. SARAH: Hang on. 2048 01:27:03,230 --> 01:27:04,770 SUZANNE: Get off me! Get away! 2049 01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:05,830 SARAH: It's all right, Suzie. 2050 01:27:05,870 --> 01:27:06,830 SUZANNE: Get off me. 2051 01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:08,070 Get away! 2052 01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:10,800 SARAH: Come on. 2053 01:27:10,830 --> 01:27:12,030 Suzie? 2054 01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:15,270 SUZANNE: He's hurting me. 2055 01:27:15,300 --> 01:27:16,330 I can't open the door. 2056 01:27:16,370 --> 01:27:18,400 It's blocked. Suzie? 2057 01:27:18,430 --> 01:27:21,170 You've got to push it from the inside. 2058 01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:22,300 SUZANNE: He's hurting me. 2059 01:27:22,330 --> 01:27:23,400 Come on! 2060 01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:24,930 It's no good. 2061 01:27:24,970 --> 01:27:26,630 SUZANNE: Get off me! 2062 01:27:26,630 --> 01:27:28,630 -(WIND HOWLING LOUDER) -(SARAH GASPS) 2063 01:27:29,370 --> 01:27:30,670 Suzie? 2064 01:27:31,730 --> 01:27:32,870 -Thank God. -(CAT MEWLING) 2065 01:27:33,970 --> 01:27:35,730 No one's gonna hurt you. 2066 01:27:35,770 --> 01:27:37,100 You're safe here. 2067 01:27:37,130 --> 01:27:39,170 MIKE: Sarah? Sarah! 2068 01:27:41,070 --> 01:27:42,300 (CAT SHRIEKING) 2069 01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:45,030 -(WOMAN GASPS) -(CATS SHRIEKING) 2070 01:27:45,070 --> 01:27:46,800 MAN 1: Clear the studio! 2071 01:27:46,830 --> 01:27:47,900 Get out! 2072 01:27:50,630 --> 01:27:52,100 Get out! 2073 01:27:52,130 --> 01:27:53,270 MAN 2: Quickly! 2074 01:27:53,300 --> 01:27:55,870 People are leaving the studio now. 2075 01:27:55,900 --> 01:27:59,030 -(LIGHTS BURST) -The lights are blowing all over the place. 2076 01:27:59,070 --> 01:28:00,830 MIKE: No, I'm not going out. 2077 01:28:00,870 --> 01:28:03,800 -I'm not going. Get the link back. -(MICHAEL TALKING) 2078 01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:06,170 Get the link back. If somebody can get the link back... 2079 01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,130 (INDISTINCT CHATTERING) 2080 01:28:09,170 --> 01:28:11,900 Lights... I think we're losing power. 2081 01:28:11,930 --> 01:28:13,900 MIKE: When you show me that my wife is safe, I'll go. 2082 01:28:13,930 --> 01:28:16,070 We have got an emergency generator... 2083 01:28:16,100 --> 01:28:18,630 -Whether or not we should bring it in, I don't know. -MIKE: I'm not going. 2084 01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:23,770 MICHAEL: The studio's completely dark. 2085 01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:26,000 Just... Just blackness now. 2086 01:28:26,030 --> 01:28:30,070 All the... The lights have failed. The power's gone off. 2087 01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:37,800 We've got some... 2088 01:28:38,970 --> 01:28:40,300 Some lights in the studio. 2089 01:28:42,430 --> 01:28:44,930 I don't know... 2090 01:28:44,970 --> 01:28:48,970 This camera's... I don't know which one's working. I mean... 2091 01:28:50,230 --> 01:28:53,300 (CHUCKLING) There are no cameramen. 2092 01:28:53,330 --> 01:28:56,630 I mean, it's difficult to know 2093 01:28:56,630 --> 01:28:59,370 even if anybody's still with us, but... 2094 01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:02,800 -If they are, this is the scene in this... -(CATS MEWLING) 2095 01:29:02,830 --> 01:29:06,370 In this studio. This totally deserted studio. 2096 01:29:09,330 --> 01:29:11,070 Autocue's working. 2097 01:29:13,100 --> 01:29:15,130 "Round and round the garden... 2098 01:29:15,170 --> 01:29:16,900 "Like a teddy bear"? 2099 01:29:16,930 --> 01:29:18,870 (CATS MEWLING) 2100 01:29:18,900 --> 01:29:22,630 GHOST: Didn't believe those stories about Mother Seddons, did you? 2101 01:29:23,830 --> 01:29:25,870 Fee fie foe fum... 2102 01:29:26,430 --> 01:29:29,330 (CATS SHRIEKING)